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Has anime censorship gone too far?

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« on: September 17, 2005, 06:53:49 pm »
This is rediculous, all the editing they do to shows to make them come here. why do they even bring them? Why dont they just keep the kid stuff with the kids, leave uncensored for the more mature?

Post here any aggrivations you have with censors.
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2005, 06:57:23 pm »
Prime example: Naruto being edited to be on Toonami. 'Nuff said.
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2005, 07:06:09 pm »
I do not like censors.
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There was this picture in Newtype USA. And like... >_> They edited it. Beacuse I had -ahem- seen that... drawing... <_<... >_> somewhereelseontheinternet...
and it was lame that they had to edit that picture's details when there are other images... panty/clevage shots, on their DVDs, that the younger audience can easily watch.

D: I also don't like censors on Toonami.
Like... "Helf" or whatever on that one guys T-shirt on DBZ... or in Naruto with the taking out of the blood. Why not just leave it in their and let the anime fans with that knowlage chukle instead of wonder why he has little bits of paper stuffed into his nose... when there was no blood... -glares-

Didn't they stop playing Outlaw Star beacuse of too much sex or gambling or something? D: Oh... We can't have that on TV in America... Certainly we don't want our children seeing that... No, certainly not... We don't want our country airing such things...

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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2005, 07:35:33 pm »
You know, most of the stuff you're talking about applies only to broadcasts and not to home releases. Networks have to play by the FCC's rules, and the sad truth is that the FCC has strict guidelines.

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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2005, 07:42:22 pm »
yeah blame the fcc and the evil moms of the worlds lol
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2005, 08:04:41 pm »
*Buys her anime from Malaysia to avoid censorship and ridiculous US prices*
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2005, 08:36:51 pm »
One Piece Anime.

Naruto Anime.

Tenjo Tenge Manga.


Thats all I have to say in regards to my opinion.

I will continue to download my anime and manga until censorship is ZERO.

Don't get me wrong, I still buy anime and manga. I just won't support censorship of any kind.

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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2005, 09:34:45 pm »
You guys are also aware that there's censorship even in Japan, right?

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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2005, 09:44:09 pm »
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*Buys her anime from Malaysia to avoid censorship and ridiculous US prices*

Compared to Japan, DVDs are cheap here.  I wanted to buy a Digimon DVD with just 5 episodes on it and it costs about $60.

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You guys are also aware that there's censorship even in Japan, right?

Yeah, but it seems like it's a little more relaxed than it is here.  I kept accidently (really) finding the 18+ section of manga right next to the "recommended for 10-year-olds" section in some bookstores with no separation.

I remember someone coming up to me who works with Anime (Fuji Terebi I believe) and I explained to him why some of our anime is shown at night.

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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2005, 09:53:54 pm »
Alright.. I'm okay with blood getting cut out. I'm okay with cussing getting cut out.

But editing out Naruto and Sasuke accidently kissing and remaking it with just a squeaking sound is going TOO FAR!

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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2005, 10:57:10 pm »
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Yeah, but it seems like it's a little more relaxed than it is here.  I kept accidently (really) finding the 18+ section of manga right next to the "recommended for 10-year-olds" section in some bookstores with no separation.


I find that *here*. Like all the time.

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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2005, 02:29:26 am »
YES. -_-;

However, let me elaborate: it's not censorship that bothers me. It's taking a show that you've gained licenses for, and then deciding to change its target audience before showing it.

It's stupid. Utterly inane. It's like buying rice because it's on sale, and then trying to make spaghetti out of it. If you want a kid's show, then license a kid's show. It's not that hard a concept.

And THIS is why I cheer when more anime makes it to cable TV, but never actually watch cable anime. :roll:


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You guys are also aware that there's censorship even in Japan, right?

Yes, but the creators know what the censors will do before creating their show. At least roughly.

Here, it's more like someone put the entire series on VHS and let their 3-year old son go crazy with a pair of scissors. Then scotch-taped it all together and broadcast it on national television.
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2005, 03:03:00 am »
censorship really annoys me, alot of the dubs annoy me as well so I just don't watch anime on cartoon network... The only things I watch on cartoon network are fosters home for imaginary friends and the grim adventures of billy and mandy. I love those two cartoons.

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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2005, 11:17:45 am »
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Yeah, but it seems like it's a little more relaxed than it is here.  I kept accidently (really) finding the 18+ section of manga right next to the "recommended for 10-year-olds" section in some bookstores with no separation.


I find that *here*. Like all the time.

Let me put that in with a little more detail.  This would be the section that's "must be over 18" tentacle-monster with school-girl lolicon stuff next to the section with Doraemon.

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However, let me elaborate: it's not censorship that bothers me. It's taking a show that you've gained licenses for, and then deciding to change its target audience before showing it.

That's got to be the best summary.  It reallys bothers me when I hear an anime is being dubbed but they decided to change almost every meaning in it.  
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2005, 11:27:33 am »
Just throwing something else into the conversation: what about the fact that shows are usually cut by five minutes for showing in the US because there are five minutes more of advertisements?
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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2005, 06:46:15 pm »
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Yeah, but it seems like it's a little more relaxed than it is here.  I kept accidently (really) finding the 18+ section of manga right next to the "recommended for 10-year-olds" section in some bookstores with no separation.


I find that *here*. Like all the time.

Let me put that in with a little more detail.  This would be the section that's "must be over 18" tentacle-monster with school-girl lolicon stuff next to the section with Doraemon.


Yes. That's what I was talking about.

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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2005, 06:49:02 pm »
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Yeah, but it seems like it's a little more relaxed than it is here.  I kept accidently (really) finding the 18+ section of manga right next to the "recommended for 10-year-olds" section in some bookstores with no separation.


I find that *here*. Like all the time.

Let me put that in with a little more detail.  This would be the section that's "must be over 18" tentacle-monster with school-girl lolicon stuff next to the section with Doraemon.


Yes. That's what I was talking about.

Huh, never seen that before over here.  :?  I'll take your word for it though.

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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2005, 07:22:50 pm »
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YES. -_-;

However, let me elaborate: it's not censorship that bothers me. It's taking a show that you've gained licenses for, and then deciding to change its target audience before showing it.

It's stupid. Utterly inane. It's like buying rice because it's on sale, and then trying to make spaghetti out of it. If you want a kid's show, then license a kid's show. It's not that hard a concept.


Amen. Double amen. Nicely put.

It's no mistake, though. ("If you want a kid's show, license a kid's show") It's because the Hollywood buffoons are so bereft of original ideas that they've taken to importing them. But if they admit this... that would beg the question "Why do we need you as the middleman?" So they cut out half of the originality, call it "improved," and sidestep the embarrassing comparisons to their own shows at the same time.


That's one of the biggest reasons I swapped over from dubs to subs. Usually, the subtitles are a lot closer to the original. And some of the stuff they decide to cut out or change when dubbing just makes no frickin' sense.

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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2005, 09:04:20 pm »
In Princess Mononoke, they changed the original line "this tastes like hot water" to "this tastes like donkey piss". I find a huge difference there...

I was watching the dubbed Naruto with my little cousins...and laughed out loud when there was supposed to be blood gushing out of their nose. they just kinda...fell back, and in the next scene had tissue wads in their nostrils. it was odd.
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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2005, 05:37:57 pm »
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You guys are also aware that there's censorship even in Japan, right?


Well, yeah, but the purest form of the show we can get is what they release.  Not something that is twice censored . . .

Also, anywhere I have gone ALWAYS puts the hentai on the highest shelves where kids can't even seeee it.  Where do you shop?  That's really disturbing . . . to think that any 5 year old can grab up pr0n
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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2005, 06:26:48 pm »
Eventually, they stopped showing Outlaw star on Toonami because of the content. But one thing still remains. they cut out an entire episode from the episode list. they cut out the episode where Jean gets the ultimate caster shells. that episode didn't even make it to adult swim.
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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2005, 09:40:41 pm »
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Eventually, they stopped showing Outlaw star on Toonami because of the content. But one thing still remains. they cut out an entire episode from the episode list. they cut out the episode where Jean gets the ultimate caster shells. that episode didn't even make it to adult swim.


They showed all of Outlaw Star, minus the hot tub episode.  I remember seeing the whoooole thing 'cept that ep. I was in high school and it was my fave at the time!!!

GAWD they cut a lot out, though . . .
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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2005, 10:42:19 pm »
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You guys are also aware that there's censorship even in Japan, right?


Well, yeah, but the purest form of the show we can get is what they release.  Not something that is twice censored . . .

Also, anywhere I have gone ALWAYS puts the hentai on the highest shelves where kids can't even seeee it.  Where do you shop?  That's really disturbing . . . to think that any 5 year old can grab up pr0n


Like, Borders and stuff.

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« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2005, 05:12:55 pm »
there was something about this in newtype also >.< well if kids want to see it...its their problem haha >.< or rather their parents for allowing it....theres nothing wrong with see ummm naked people....heh.....I think most kids should learn body parts.....its just an image....maybe Im taking this too lightly...is their anything wrong with curse words? Their just made up words from people on the street and they dont really mean anything and kids will learn those type of words in the outside world....well anyways its their parents fault for letting them see it...they shouldnt censor other peoples stuff....I want to say something I just cant find the right words...well anyways....
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« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2005, 05:19:35 pm »
Is it too much to expect people to use regular punctuation instead of inappropriately using ellipses all the time? Or even using no punctuation at all?
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« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2005, 09:01:56 pm »
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You guys are also aware that there's censorship even in Japan, right?


Well, yeah, but the purest form of the show we can get is what they release.  Not something that is twice censored . . .

Also, anywhere I have gone ALWAYS puts the hentai on the highest shelves where kids can't even seeee it.  Where do you shop?  That's really disturbing . . . to think that any 5 year old can grab up pr0n


Like, Borders and stuff.


Oh, yeah, but there isn't anything SUPER hardcore.  There's shounen ai fluff and that sorta thing.  My best friend works at Borders.  Company policy is to keep everything Adult wrapped in plastic or behind the counters.  Sometimes, depending on the store size they put it on the overflow top shelves so people can only get to it if they ask and show ID.

@Mika - Most parents don't want their children lookin at PORN.  That's a lot different than just naked people . . .
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« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2005, 09:59:00 pm »
I got FAKE vol 7 there and it wasn't wrapped or anything.

Honestly, where the heck do you guys shop? The only place in town I've seen even sorted by age is the Borders in Tualatin.

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« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2005, 09:54:38 am »
Actually, I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a bit, and probably never have another friend ever again and die sad and lonely on the street, buuuuuut:

In some circumstances, I think that changing the original works a little in order to introduce it to a new market effectively can be a good thing.  Case-in-point: Princess Mononoke.  Now, I do enjoy the subtitled version better, but that doesn't mean I view the dubbed version as evil.  The fact simply is that the animalism represented in that movie is too foreign a concept for a lot of Westerners (particularly Americans) to get their minds around.  I think that Gaiman (wrote the English script, is fluent in Japanese, Hugo award winner, and considered by many to be one of the best fantasy writers of our time) did an amazing job of making the movie accessible to a wide audience without changing the spirit of the movie too much.  In Japan, it was not just another straight-to-video release of a Sailor Moon movie.  It was a big-scale theatrical release of cinematic art and deserved to be treated with respect.  I think that if any anime in America is getting the star treatment it deserves, it is the Miyazaki films. As for the "hot water/ donkey piss" bit, if I recall correctly, when he said "this tastes like hot water" he was speaking very informally.  The irony of it was that he was a monk speaking rudely.  As we don't really have a formalized method of being informal in English, I think that making him swear was an appropriate stylistic choice.

Here's another thing, a lot of times, direct translations that are OK to read in subtitles would be so flat if you tried to make a voice actor do it.  If you ever watch an anime where the subtitles perfectly match the dubbing, either the writing sound terrible, or the subtitles are lying.  The simple fact of it is, that direct translation from any language to any other distant language is going to sound awkward when spoken out loud.  Some artistic license needs to taken.  Taking liberty with the text is actually a benefit to the artistic integrity of the original work.  If the writing wasn't bad and awkward in the original, then making the writing bad and awkward int he dub doesn't do anyone any favors, and in my opinion it is an insult to the creator.

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« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2005, 03:48:17 pm »
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I got FAKE vol 7 there and it wasn't wrapped or anything.

Honestly, where the heck do you guys shop? The only place in town I've seen even sorted by age is the Borders in Tualatin.

Borders, Waldens, sometimes at a local comic book store that sells manga....

There are some manga that do edge along that line (Negima is wrapped up and I'm peeked into Battle Royale a couple of times  :shock: ) but the stuff I was referring to that I saw in Japan (compared to what we go by) crossed the line and kept going.  From the looks of the outside covers, nothing inside was implied but direct.  It was probably like "What is that girl going to do with... whoops, never mind."  "Can people really bend like that?"
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« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2005, 10:42:52 pm »
as i see hentai has now become the subject... why draw it if your gonna sencor it anyway O.o that makes no sense ^^;
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« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2005, 04:28:10 am »
As I generally shy away from dubs and Anime on cable, I do have to say that what I have seen irritates me. In the first episode of Gundam Seed which I saw late at night on Adult Swim, they edited out the guns Asuran and the other Zaft pilots were using as they stole the four gundams.
My question is, why do the guns have to edited out of Gundam Seed, and yet not out of Cowboy Bebop? Its as if the more popular shows aren't edited all that much, but the newer and less well-known ones get cut all to hell?

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« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2005, 08:33:13 am »
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« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2005, 08:50:59 am »
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My question is, why do the guns have to edited out of Gundam Seed, and yet not out of Cowboy Bebop? Its as if the more popular shows aren't edited all that much, but the newer and less well-known ones get cut all to hell?


That all depends on who licensed it.  For instance take ADV's version of Saiyuki. It contained a lot of cussing and lewdness, very reflective of the original characters. Now let's look at Geneon's handling of Saiyuki Reload. The bad language is practically non-existent. It's like the whole Sanzo party is now on Prozac.

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« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2005, 05:03:42 pm »
I agree. Keep it the way it is or don't bring it over!
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« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2005, 08:50:07 am »
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Eventually, they stopped showing Outlaw star on Toonami because of the content. But one thing still remains. they cut out an entire episode from the episode list. they cut out the episode where Jean gets the ultimate caster shells. that episode didn't even make it to adult swim.

i actuly found out about this episode about a month ago and then saw it, this would of been a little hard for them paste on swim suits on all the girls like they do with tenchi. and i found the 18+ section at animte by waiting in line to pay, like down from where the m&ms and impulse buys would be.....
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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2005, 11:15:56 am »
Porn can be an impuse buy right? lol.

My biggest problem with the censorship isn't the blood or the language, that I can understand, but exactly how homophobic our whole nation is that they can't show two guys kissing or even jokes involving homosexuality. They have to either show it off camera or make it so vague that only otaku like us can see it and be all like "oh hey, in the japanese version there's probably a lot more going on."

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« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2005, 11:21:48 am »
i haven't seen much naruto and stoped geting cartoon network before they started showing but thats stoopid (yup knoe the misspell) espesctuly after all that yuyu hakusho episodes with tourdament with the fox deamon fighting the other guy when , whenever they raninto each other was like "when i see somthing i like i want to take it away" all serious like i was yellin at the tv "kiss kiss kiss!" tho i do that some time i kinda crazy
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« Reply #37 on: October 19, 2005, 02:24:30 pm »
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from my understanding, its quite alright to have homosexual content in TV shows, but major concerns comes up when its in a kid's show.  as far as I know, no one really gripes when its on a show aimed are older audience(buffy and babylon 5 has homosexual relationships), but something else when its for younger people as then their parents gripes to the high heavens about it could potenially pass to their children.  Right or wrong, parents want to pass their views on life to kids rather then enity behind a TV show.  Of course, one could certainly argue that its the parent's responsibly to watch over their children....but then you have many anime(& manga) that are seemlying perfect for kids and then suddenly goes somewhere that parents would object to if they learned of it.
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« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2005, 04:29:48 pm »
Homosexuality seems to work as a gimick in television. If you have something like Will and Grace, or Queer Eye For The Straight Guy being gay is okay, but when people try adamently to get Queer as Folk and The L word take off tv (and those are on premium movie channels after 10 pm and still get harrassed) granted those two are a lot more graphic than the others but the point remains. Even from what I know about buffy (which is little) the admins were not happy about it the show was already established as a money maker so they went with it.

I can totaly understand parents freaking out about anime randomly though. I read about one woman who's 12-yr-old daughter was watching FLCL and how dare they show that on televison (ignoring the fact that there was a 12-yr-old up at midnight on a week day).

So then what is the problem with airing them at 10pm and slapping a 14+ rating on things? I mean Animal Planet shows their rescue shows around 8pm and they're tv 14... I dunno, I guess Im just tired of corporations and non-otaku thinking that cartoons are only for kids. I mean, have they ever heard of Heavy Metal? South Park?

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« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2005, 04:48:23 pm »
Part of it simply comes down to the fact that people can very irrational and get lost in passion of emotions.
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« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2005, 05:09:43 pm »
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Part of it simply comes down to the fact that people can very irrational and get lost in passion of emotions.

(I'm partially tired so please excuse or ignore this if it sounds too off topic ~_~)
What I never understood are parents who won't let their kids see things like the Naruto/Sasuke kiss, Buffy, all those shows that are on late at night, etc. and yet they will still let 10-or-so-year-olds or younger see an R-rated movie full of blood, swearing, and fighting in the theather.

Oh yeah, and kinda going off on the "most American's think cartoons are for children only" comment; Yesterday, in my Lit. class we watched an anime of the Tales of Genji.  If you read the story or heard of it, you know what Genji does a lot in it.  Anyway, there was one scene where Genji was naked with a girl in bed, both of them were covered with blankets, and you couldn't even see the girls full face let alone the chest.  And yet, with all of that, I remember hearing some girl behind me gasp and say "This is suppose to be a cartoon."
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« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2005, 06:48:13 pm »
@Negima
it may be the case of that those are easily recogzined as mature/adult shows so some parents will know to moniter their kids if they let them watch those shows.  something for like anime, much of it is aimed at much younger audience despite moments of more mature parts(by US standards), so they end up complaining as it bascially catches them off guard.

its like what I hear about this one manga story that was being considered for translation.  As I recall, it starts as a sweet story between a young boy and girl(maybe like...12ish)....and then ends with them in bed together...
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« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2005, 11:10:47 am »
This isn't really a fair poll on censorship. People seem to think that a company brings an anime over, censors it because they want too. This isn't always how it happens. Not to mention it isn't free to bring the anime over. You think think anime is expensive, remember 20 years ago when they had to pay import/export fees, buying a 30 minute video cost $40.00. Honestly the anime isn't brought here for the fans, it is brought here to make money, that is what comics, anime, movies are all about, making money.

Even though it seems the anime culture is huge, it really isn't. It is considered a speciality or niche market. Essentially meaning a small percentage of actual sales come from anime fans. We'll be nice and say 30% of US population are anime fans (it isn't even close to that high). Keep in mind these are not exact figures but it gives you a basic idea.

10% of them have fan-subs, download copies so they won't purchase anything licensed here. Most people that complain about censorship are complaining about broadcasted shows nor are they typically the ones who will be buying the dvds. I am not saying all of them are but the majority of them just don't. They are often referred to as elitest who want their original versions.

20 of the 30% have heard of the anime but have never seen it. The majority of that number aren't going to buy something they have never seen. How do you reach a mass audience? Put it in a good afternoon, prime time slot. You don't want parents outraged or going over the top and it honestly isn't parents you have to watch out for. It would be activist groups or church groups who would make the headlines about how Cartoon Network are corrupting their children with violence. You also have cenors when they view something they give it a certain rating. Well if you want to meet the criteria you need to change what they want you too, so it can go into the rating you want it. Still after all that out of that 20% only probably 5-10% will actually buy the anime.

Anime are typically targeted at college, more mature people but kids and merchandising is where the money is. Not to mention comparing age differences, Japanese youth are typically at a more mature level because of their culture than US society. It has to be made appealing to fans, parents and new fanbase of children who in turn grow up and buy more anime. Fans are just 1/3 of the equation and even if fans don't buy, 2/3 is still better than only catering to the 1/3.

That is why there are uncut editions, special editions and there always will be. Anime isn't the only thing that is censored. Movies are more heavily censored than anime when it goes to TV. Yet hardly anyone ever complains about it as much or demand that if they can't show it uncensored then don't bring it to TV.

The point is sure censorship can go too far. It isn't just anime and it isn't just the US distributor that says it gets censored, its a lot more complicated than that. If you want to go back to 20 years ago and how hard it was to fine anime, feel free too. Personally I don't care if they censor it, just bring the anime, bring more of it, bring it faster to US distribution. If by chance it is censored then I won't buy it, instead we all know how to get a hold of original versions. However not all of them are censored. Just know your anime, its that simple.

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