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Re: SAY IT! Get it off your Chest./It Just Bugs Me (Kumoricon 2010 Edition)
« Reply #50 on: September 12, 2010, 03:58:36 pm »
well, it was the first time it happened so i was more scared than i was angry. if there is a next time (hopefully not but you never know) ill definitely tell yell at him. and that was the reaction i was hoping for! but at least nothing too bad happened.
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« Reply #51 on: September 12, 2010, 04:15:37 pm »
I'm relieved you're ok!  That just sounded really scary! That reminded me of the time I was on a family trip...we stopped at a gas station for a bathroom break. I went in the store to ask for the key. (It was my assumption it was locked) The worker dude put his ARM around my shoulders...telling me it was always unlocked...

Strange old dude touching me freaked me out...but I was too scared to say anything...(I don't remember how old I was when this happened...teenager maybe...I was just caught off guard and froze... >.< ) you tell yourself you'd react a certain way if something happens...but since you never know when or if...

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« Reply #52 on: September 12, 2010, 04:19:21 pm »
exactly. and im a legal adult now. woot! go being 18! lol. anywho... i was kinda freaked but glad i got through it one piece.... kinda. back on topic... i had a great con this year... the only issue i had was my own personal problems (like being glomped a lot or my patch trying to come off)
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Re: SAY IT! Get it off your Chest./It Just Bugs Me (Kumoricon 2010 Edition)
« Reply #53 on: September 12, 2010, 05:55:17 pm »
cosplay contest judging and prizes.
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they need to be better.


QFT.

I feel like I'm being kinda rude by saying it, but the prizes for the Cosplay Contest left a lot to be desired. I'm happy with what I picked, yes, but the fact that it was all I could find that I found worth taking as a prize somewhat irked me. From what I saw there were second volumes of DVD sets, second volumes of manga, figmas from a show I've never heard of, and forgive me if I'm wrong but I do believe I saw magazine inserts that looked like they had just been torn right out of a magazine. The socks looked comfy, yeah, but what if you don't like socks? What are you stuck with then? A Sgt. Frog keychain barely worth the paper your prize receipt was printed on? How to Draw Manga? A pile of Soul Eater wall scrolls?

Wow, that was really kinda rude and I'm really sorry but it had to be said.

Unfortunately, the prize selections were dictated by what was donated to Kumoricon. I'm sorry that it wasn't what you wanted, but donations and promotional materials being what they are, that's the best that was available. (also, those who picked up their items earlier likely picked the "better" items...). I have no control over what's available for prizes - at least you were able to select items for your prize - in previous years the judges had to pick the items for you and THAT was rather difficult given the selection that's available. At least you got a very nice plaque with your name on it that you can display (those plaques are custom made by programming staff who spent many hours making them.  CHEERS to the staff who made the 44 plaques rather than spending time enjoying the convention)

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Re: SAY IT! Get it off your Chest./It Just Bugs Me (Kumoricon 2010 Edition)
« Reply #54 on: September 12, 2010, 09:01:55 pm »
cosplay contest judging and prizes.
:<
they need to be better.


QFT.

I feel like I'm being kinda rude by saying it, but the prizes for the Cosplay Contest left a lot to be desired. I'm happy with what I picked, yes, but the fact that it was all I could find that I found worth taking as a prize somewhat irked me. From what I saw there were second volumes of DVD sets, second volumes of manga, figmas from a show I've never heard of, and forgive me if I'm wrong but I do believe I saw magazine inserts that looked like they had just been torn right out of a magazine. The socks looked comfy, yeah, but what if you don't like socks? What are you stuck with then? A Sgt. Frog keychain barely worth the paper your prize receipt was printed on? How to Draw Manga? A pile of Soul Eater wall scrolls?

Wow, that was really kinda rude and I'm really sorry but it had to be said.

Unfortunately, the prize selections were dictated by what was donated to Kumoricon. I'm sorry that it wasn't what you wanted, but donations and promotional materials being what they are, that's the best that was available. (also, those who picked up their items earlier likely picked the "better" items...). I have no control over what's available for prizes - at least you were able to select items for your prize - in previous years the judges had to pick the items for you and THAT was rather difficult given the selection that's available. At least you got a very nice plaque with your name on it that you can display (those plaques are custom made by programming staff who spent many hours making them.  CHEERS to the staff who made the 44 plaques rather than spending time enjoying the convention)
I APPRECIATED THE PLAQUE VERY MUCH. :>
I was slightly annoyed with the prizes. But I was more angry about the skit selection/judging.
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« Reply #55 on: September 12, 2010, 09:13:06 pm »
Out of curiosity, what would make good cosplay prizes? 
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« Reply #56 on: September 12, 2010, 09:22:41 pm »
Out of curiosity, what would make good cosplay prizes? 

I threw around the idea of something like gift cards to fabric selling establishments back at Sak, which got kinda put on the back burner.



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« Reply #57 on: September 12, 2010, 09:27:21 pm »
Out of curiosity, what would make good cosplay prizes?  

I threw around the idea of something like gift cards to fabric selling establishments back at Sak, which got kinda put on the back burner.



Well, so far, we have never bought prizes per se, but if we have a general idea of what is wanted we can give it a try :)  

Though, socks, wall scrolls, anime and manga make for at least a decent selection for an anime con I think.  I just checked with the person who was in charge of handing out prizes and the DVDs only should have been given out as sets, not leaving random volumes.  Any remaining sets we will tape together to make sure they go out as a set.  
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« Reply #58 on: September 12, 2010, 09:28:58 pm »
Gift cards, to fabric, wig, food, or other places, seems like a really good idea.

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« Reply #59 on: September 12, 2010, 09:30:52 pm »
Honestly, I don't think there should be a glomp circle anymore but that's just me.
I'm against it because I was knocked over so hard a couple years ago that someone broke my ankle.

This is one of the reasons why we've never allowed this, or certain other events, to be official things.  We can't control what attendees do on their own time, off-site.  But, we do urge them to be very careful and to leave if things get uncomfortable.  
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« Reply #60 on: September 12, 2010, 09:33:49 pm »
Gift cards, to fabric, wig, food, or other places, seems like a really good idea.

I'll add that into notes for next year, but it's hard to get prize support from companies we don't do business with :)
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Re: SAY IT! Get it off your Chest./It Just Bugs Me (Kumoricon 2010 Edition)
« Reply #61 on: September 12, 2010, 09:39:02 pm »
Honestly, I don't think there should be a glomp circle anymore but that's just me.
I'm against it because I was knocked over so hard a couple years ago that someone broke my ankle.

This is one of the reasons why we've never allowed this, or certain other events, to be official things.  We can't control what attendees do on their own time, off-site.  But, we do urge them to be very careful and to leave if things get uncomfortable.  

Yeah, I know it's not something you guys can control.
It's just something I wish could.
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Re: SAY IT! Get it off your Chest./It Just Bugs Me (Kumoricon 2010 Edition)
« Reply #62 on: September 12, 2010, 09:45:37 pm »
Here's my complaint: Why does everything have to be gay? I'm tired of liking something, like Hetalia (and others this is just the first thing that came to mind), and having to bear the frustration of "OMG XX AND XX 4 EVAAAAARRRR!!!!" I just like the show and comic for what it is.

And I hate The Game. For the entirety of 2008 it was "You lost the game!!" with my response "What is The Game?" Every time for that entire convention the answer was "OMG YOU LOST AGAIN!!" followed by getting laughed at. Finally in 2009, my friend courteously explained to me what the game was, it wasn't funny and I was pissed no one took the time to explain it to me in the first place.  

Basically my complaints boil down to this: I am no longer 16. At the age of 24 I realize that I am something of a grandma at these conventions.

As far as unwanted attack glomps go, I got one this year, and I politely asked that person not to do it again. They turned out to be an understanding sweetheart and were just caught in the moment. I have a feeling that if you guys do that to your glompers, you'll probably get the same results :) All worked out really well in the end.

As far as group attack glomps go, all I can say is -> o.o;
That's a new one to me. Scary.

Some people just don't think beyond the moment or beyond themselves. That's really what most of this is. Usually if you point it out people are nice about it.
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Re: SAY IT! Get it off your Chest./It Just Bugs Me (Kumoricon 2010 Edition)
« Reply #63 on: September 13, 2010, 03:59:48 am »
I hated getting told by Yojimbo that a certain balcony was ok to sleep on and then getting woken up mega early and getting told no sleeping . WTF make up your mind god dangit!
When I am chasing my tail and catch my back leg instead, I will not bite down on my foot. This hurts, and my scream scares my human.

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« Reply #64 on: September 13, 2010, 04:01:54 am »
I also hated all the street kids that chilled in the lobby with no pass Because all the anime nerds were chillin there and it was better than smoking pot at pioneer SQ".  (His words not mine)  If your not going to pay for your pass bo be a bum elsewhere!
When I am chasing my tail and catch my back leg instead, I will not bite down on my foot. This hurts, and my scream scares my human.

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« Reply #65 on: September 13, 2010, 05:39:46 am »
Out of curiosity, what would make good cosplay prizes? 

I threw around the idea of something like gift cards to fabric selling establishments back at Sak, which got kinda put on the back burner.


great idea. it would really benefit the cosplayers.


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« Reply #66 on: September 13, 2010, 06:44:50 am »
Haha, being picked up can be creepy when it's someone you don't know.

There was a guy who asked me for a hug.  I said OK, and when he gave the hug he picked me up off the ground.  This isn't a good idea.  I was carrying very expensive photo equipment.  If he had lost his balance and we fell and stuff got broken, it would have been a disaster.

I believe the person did it in a spirit of having fun, and meant nothing bad by it, but please don't do this.

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« Reply #67 on: September 13, 2010, 09:07:59 am »
Pre-registration Friday DX I had pre-registered beforehand but my brothers and a couple friends hadn't so they needed to buy at-the-door passes for the weekend.
It kinda sucked after waiting in line for a couple hours to get myself checked in, only to find that the new registrants didn't have to wait until 6:00 PM to start lining up.

I had to wait a couple more hours to get the rest of my group settled in ;A;

I think next year, they should have everybody start lining up at 4:00, whether you pre-registered or not, but have a few people work their way down the SINGLE line with clipboards,
forms and writing utensils for the new registrants. It IS a little unfair to those who pre-registered many months ahead, but what's the point for them really if you only save a couple hours of line-waiting?

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« Reply #68 on: September 13, 2010, 09:54:17 am »
I hated getting told by Yojimbo that a certain balcony was ok to sleep on and then getting woken up mega early and getting told no sleeping . WTF make up your mind god dangit!

That's because sleeping in a hotel, that your not a guest in is technically vagrancy, which is illegal. 
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« Reply #69 on: September 13, 2010, 11:51:20 am »
It wasn't vagrancy when your sleeping in rented con space and given permission.
When I am chasing my tail and catch my back leg instead, I will not bite down on my foot. This hurts, and my scream scares my human.

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« Reply #70 on: September 13, 2010, 01:59:29 pm »
It wasn't vagrancy when your sleeping in rented con space and given permission.

You were misinformed... there was no sleeping in con space allowed, period.  Con staff should have been fully aware of this, and we will be sure to reiterate that for next year's staff as well.

I also hated all the street kids that chilled in the lobby with no pass Because all the anime nerds were chillin there and it was better than smoking pot at pioneer SQ".  (His words not mine)  If your not going to pay for your pass bo be a bum elsewhere!

The lobby was public space, not con space.  They did not need a badge to be there.
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Re: SAY IT! Get it off your Chest./It Just Bugs Me (Kumoricon 2010 Edition)
« Reply #71 on: September 13, 2010, 09:16:10 pm »
Haha, being picked up can be creepy when it's someone you don't know.

There was a guy who asked me for a hug.  I said OK, and when he gave the hug he picked me up off the ground.  This isn't a good idea.  I was carrying very expensive photo equipment.  If he had lost his balance and we fell and stuff got broken, it would have been a disaster.

I believe the person did it in a spirit of having fun, and meant nothing bad by it, but please don't do this.


I found this out myself several years ago. I was lucky - the person was a sweetheart about it and explained to me, just like you're doing now, that to some people it's really uncomfortable (or even scary). It gave me a chance to learn better.

When someone cares enough to give you the benefit of the doubt and explain a situation to you so that you don't repeat a mistake, it's good to listen. It beats the heck out of finding out later that you hurt someone's feelings and don't have a chance to take it back.

Sometimes I wonder whether talking about things like this would make a good 30-minute panel. Almost no one at Kumoricon wants to hurt or scare others, I'm sure of it. But when it comes to stuff like this, there's a lot of room for misunderstanding what the boundaries are.
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« Reply #72 on: September 14, 2010, 10:31:19 am »
Haha, being picked up can be creepy when it's someone you don't know.

There was a guy who asked me for a hug.  I said OK, and when he gave the hug he picked me up off the ground.  This isn't a good idea.  I was carrying very expensive photo equipment.  If he had lost his balance and we fell and stuff got broken, it would have been a disaster.

I believe the person did it in a spirit of having fun, and meant nothing bad by it, but please don't do this.


I found this out myself several years ago. I was lucky - the person was a sweetheart about it and explained to me, just like you're doing now, that to some people it's really uncomfortable (or even scary). It gave me a chance to learn better.

When someone cares enough to give you the benefit of the doubt and explain a situation to you so that you don't repeat a mistake, it's good to listen. It beats the heck out of finding out later that you hurt someone's feelings and don't have a chance to take it back.

Sometimes I wonder whether talking about things like this would make a good 30-minute panel. Almost no one at Kumoricon wants to hurt or scare others, I'm sure of it. But when it comes to stuff like this, there's a lot of room for misunderstanding what the boundaries are.

Actually, we did.  We had the 'How To Con' panel on convention etiquette from someone who goes to many cons a year due to her job.   
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« Reply #73 on: September 14, 2010, 11:35:03 am »
Almost no one at Kumoricon wants to hurt or scare others, I'm sure of it. But when it comes to stuff like this, there's a lot of room for misunderstanding what the boundaries are.

Just for the record, I like the whole hugs and high-fives thing at the con.  I like the "free hugs" people, it's a fun thing.  I have no problem at all with the general idea of it, but it's important to consider safety especially when interacting with people you don't know.

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« Reply #74 on: September 14, 2010, 12:21:31 pm »

Okay, wearing my predator suit was a pain already, but getting glomped? Not *****g cool. This idiot grabbed me and pulled off one of my dreads and i actually punched him because my brother told him that i cant hug because of the ventilation in the suit and everything took months to make. The  bastard looked stunned, i don't even want to go to next year because people don't seem to understand the word no.

If i see him next year im not going to be nice, he received warnings but still wouldn't back off. To the people that asked to hug thank you, even though i said no i appreciate that you asked my brother or me first.

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« Reply #75 on: September 14, 2010, 02:26:23 pm »
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Actually, we did.  We had the 'How To Con' panel on convention etiquette from someone who goes to many cons a year due to her job.
Which, ironically, a lot of us missed because we were waiting in the pre-registration line.  Really more than ANYTHING else the registration lines are intolerable. 

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Actually, we did.  We had the 'How To Con' panel on convention etiquette from someone who goes to many cons a year due to her job.
Which, ironically, a lot of us missed because we were waiting in the pre-registration line.  Really more than ANYTHING else the registration lines are intolerable. 


Yeah.....i was told to go wait in line AGAIN during saturday even though i was already registered friday night and good to go, some of the staff wouldnt let me inside. After i reached the front again, i guess a  staff member that was educated freaked out and kept apologizing for me waiting in line again. Dont plan on going again next year, was a waste of time. Sorry.

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« Reply #77 on: September 14, 2010, 02:59:43 pm »
I would ask that instead of not going, why not come and help us? work as registraiton staff. Help us to speed up those lines and streamline the process.
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« Reply #78 on: September 14, 2010, 03:22:39 pm »
Yeah.....i was told to go wait in line AGAIN during saturday even though i was already registered friday night and good to go, some of the staff wouldnt let me inside. After i reached the front again, i guess a  staff member that was educated freaked out and kept apologizing for me waiting in line again. Dont plan on going again next year, was a waste of time. Sorry.

Oh no, I am so sorry. Your outfit was amazing.
I am surprised though, that somebody wanted to hug YOU looking in character.
I saw you in the hall next to me, and I was getting the creepy chills. You were so real-looking!

Your costume was very well done, and I was very impressed to see you. Please don't let some silly, over-excited otaku ruin your opportunity to be awesome. Not everybody understands how long it takes to make a well-done outfit, or how fragile they can be.

Although, as "alarming" punching someone was, technically you maintained character....maybe next year you should have someone go in front with a sign, and say "Hugs = DIE"

That way, everybody is happy. Or scared of you, which is what you were going for...
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« Reply #79 on: September 14, 2010, 03:34:46 pm »
I know why it worked the way it did this year but-


Can we please have escelators that go up and down like the natural flow of traffic in America next year? I don't know how many people I asked to go up the "correct" way only to have them ignore me or give a general attitude about how "no one is coming down this way" while walking back up the "correct" way.

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« Reply #80 on: September 14, 2010, 03:51:03 pm »
I know why it worked the way it did this year but-


Can we please have escelators that go up and down like the natural flow of traffic in America next year? I don't know how many people I asked to go up the "correct" way only to have them ignore me or give a general attitude about how "no one is coming down this way" while walking back up the "correct" way.

I am 99.9% sure that there are no escalators at the new site. 
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« Reply #81 on: September 14, 2010, 03:54:52 pm »
YAY- good old fashioned stairs FTW.


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« Reply #82 on: September 14, 2010, 03:57:21 pm »
I remember two cramped elevators that staff made only go to event floors after a while (I think they only went up three floors anyway) and a staircase (in the Hilton)


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« Reply #83 on: September 14, 2010, 06:44:40 pm »
Haha, being picked up can be creepy when it's someone you don't know.

There was a guy who asked me for a hug.  I said OK, and when he gave the hug he picked me up off the ground.  This isn't a good idea.  I was carrying very expensive photo equipment.  If he had lost his balance and we fell and stuff got broken, it would have been a disaster.

I believe the person did it in a spirit of having fun, and meant nothing bad by it, but please don't do this.


I found this out myself several years ago. I was lucky - the person was a sweetheart about it and explained to me, just like you're doing now, that to some people it's really uncomfortable (or even scary). It gave me a chance to learn better.

When someone cares enough to give you the benefit of the doubt and explain a situation to you so that you don't repeat a mistake, it's good to listen. It beats the heck out of finding out later that you hurt someone's feelings and don't have a chance to take it back.

Sometimes I wonder whether talking about things like this would make a good 30-minute panel. Almost no one at Kumoricon wants to hurt or scare others, I'm sure of it. But when it comes to stuff like this, there's a lot of room for misunderstanding what the boundaries are.

Actually, we did.  We had the 'How To Con' panel on convention etiquette from someone who goes to many cons a year due to her job.  

Just my thought - but I still think it would be a good idea to have this as its own panel. I don't know if others could have guessed it, but I wouldn't have thought that "How To Con" would be about glomping.

  • This is arguably the second biggest problem people have with each other at cons (HOBO being first by a mile). Other issues like the Game, oversize props, etc may be more common, but they don't have nearly as much potential for hurting someone's feelings or pushing their boundaries. It deserves to be discussed on its own rather than as one segment of a very broad panel.
  • I know that as a matter of legal liability, the con can't even appear to be endorsing the glomp circle. But they need a meetup spot somewhere, whether we have this panel or not. If they decide that this panel would be a good one, it would be perfect.
  • "Hugs 101" sounds like, and can be, a quick and fun panel. The more fun it sounds, the more people come. The more people come, the less likely we are to see repeats of what happened to Shadow, IchigoBunny, xkuroxhanax, steelychan, FateChooseMe, lychee-twist, ironmonkey, beast, and even myself.
    (I was on the wrong end of someone proving their masculinity by bear-hugging me as hard as they could. Impressing people by hurting them may work in Naruto or Nanoha, but not so much in real life.)
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« Reply #84 on: September 14, 2010, 07:00:01 pm »
Well, if you have someone to run such a panel, you can have it happen next year.

Though, a glomp circle can't be a panel activity, as far as I know.  It would just be a con etiquette panel focused on touching.   
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« Reply #85 on: September 14, 2010, 07:19:58 pm »
Well, if you have someone to run such a panel, you can have it happen next year.

Though, a glomp circle can't be a panel activity, as far as I know.  It would just be a con etiquette panel focused on touching.  

Thank you for the advice. :)  I've been thinking about it, and have a few people in mind who would be perfect if I can con them into it sometime before next year.

And I completely agree - heck, we can't even directly suggest that this be a meetup spot for the glomp circle, let alone make it part of the panel. I was thinking more along the lines of a scripted panelist demonstration of what to do as well as what to NOT do, and a discussion after. (The demo would include every example listed so far, so please keep listing 'em.)
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« Reply #86 on: September 14, 2010, 09:04:56 pm »
Well, if you have someone to run such a panel, you can have it happen next year.

Though, a glomp circle can't be a panel activity, as far as I know.  It would just be a con etiquette panel focused on touching.  

Thank you for the advice. :)  I've been thinking about it, and have a few people in mind who would be perfect if I can con them into it sometime before next year.

And I completely agree - heck, we can't even directly suggest that this be a meetup spot for the glomp circle, let alone make it part of the panel. I was thinking more along the lines of a scripted panelist demonstration of what to do as well as what to NOT do, and a discussion after. (The demo would include every example listed so far, so please keep listing 'em.)

That could be really awesome :)
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« Reply #87 on: September 14, 2010, 09:13:19 pm »
It would just be a con etiquette panel focused on touching.   

This... kinda scares me :o

The Fangirl/Fanboy Support Panel also had rules and etiquette on glomping, and demos of how to do it correctly (or at least it did the first year it ran, which ironically was at the Vancouver Hilton).
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« Reply #88 on: September 14, 2010, 09:47:49 pm »
Yes the glomp circle at the square my god were they imature me and my black butler gang were there to you know just relax and they attack us, now I was carrying a tray that had breakables on it that could fall off and shatter and they thought it was all a big joke they chased two of my friends down the block and proceeded to attack the ciel we had with us, then one of the kids had the nerve to come up to my friend who was holding my tray of breakables and started to touch it, she was being rather rude about it as will, exspecially when we told her to back off, she did not ask for a hug but she proceeded to attack us with hugs that we did not give permission to take, and then on top of that all she had the intent to break the things on my tray trying to tip it over.

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« Reply #89 on: September 14, 2010, 09:51:13 pm »
egads! i feel really bad for you. i seriously didnt mind getting hugs but even hunny can get hugged out.
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« Reply #90 on: September 14, 2010, 09:51:22 pm »
It would just be a con etiquette panel focused on touching.   

This... kinda scares me :o

The Fangirl/Fanboy Support Panel also had rules and etiquette on glomping, and demos of how to do it correctly (or at least it did the first year it ran, which ironically was at the Vancouver Hilton).

The decision for whether to allow it or forbid it is likely to be yours, so your opinion particularly matters.

My main thought about the subject is that with the number of horror stories in this thread alone, it might be good to focus on the problem specifically instead of hoping people will know which panel might mention it. (Con horror stories seem to be like bugs - for every one you see, it has ten buddies hiding behind the wall.)

More to the point, it might be good to use the title mentioned to draw in the kind of people who need the advice. The kind of people who'd be thoughtful/perspicacious enough to attend a lecture on con etiquette probably aren't the ones we need to worry about.
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« Reply #91 on: September 14, 2010, 10:33:10 pm »
The decision for whether to allow it or forbid it is likely to be yours, so your opinion particularly matters.

My main thought about the subject is that with the number of horror stories in this thread alone, it might be good to focus on the problem specifically instead of hoping people will know which panel might mention it. (Con horror stories seem to be like bugs - for every one you see, it has ten buddies hiding behind the wall.)

More to the point, it might be good to use the title mentioned to draw in the kind of people who need the advice. The kind of people who'd be thoughtful/perspicacious enough to attend a lecture on con etiquette probably aren't the ones we need to worry about.

Eh, no worries... it was the phrasing that I found... interesting ;)

The idea for the panel is a good one.  Like I said before, we have had a panel that discussed this issue.  Maybe it's time for another one.. con is supposed to be fun and safe, not a place where cosplayers need to worry about being accidentally hurt.
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« Reply #92 on: September 14, 2010, 10:59:39 pm »
Some signs on the main doors and stairwells pointing out you can break people's costumes and bones that way would be good too. 

Also, what of sending someone into the middle of the circle with a megaphone to remind them how to play nice?  The circles seem fun when they're not getting crazy (I walked past the one last year several times and was never bothered- I must give off "don't touch me" vibes or something...)

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« Reply #93 on: September 14, 2010, 11:19:16 pm »
Some signs on the main doors and stairwells pointing out you can break people's costumes and bones that way would be good too. 

Also, what of sending someone into the middle of the circle with a megaphone to remind them how to play nice?  The circles seem fun when they're not getting crazy (I walked past the one last year several times and was never bothered- I must give off "don't touch me" vibes or something...)

Unfortunately, having staff there to watch would imply that we're taking some degree of responsibility for what happens. That would be a liability nightmare. Not to mention that when a staff member steps outside con space, for all intents and purposes (in this case) they stop being a staff member.

However, and this is one of the things I'd like to see discussed in a panel on the subject: There is nothing to stop attendees from reminding each other to play nice. The reason staff members join Kumori is because we love it and want it to continue, so we agree to take some responsibility for it. If people feel the same way about the glomp circles, then someone has to help with self-policing the behavior.

You don't have to make people behave; I sincerely believe that 99% of Kumoricon attendees are good-hearted people who would hate to hurt their fellow attendees. Just remind them of that, and that takes care of the problem almost every time.
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« Reply #94 on: September 14, 2010, 11:45:38 pm »
Just saying- trying to ban glomping will be like Kumoricon kicking themselves- a big mess with lots of complaining
(Remembers one year where signs were no longer allowed....ahhh the complaints on the forums.....)

The con has panels that mention glomping
And talks about glomping in their program book

That's really all they can do.
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« Reply #95 on: September 14, 2010, 11:59:04 pm »
I don't think anyone is trying to ban glomping.  But, if it's causing this many problems then we need to find a good way to improve things. 
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« Reply #96 on: September 15, 2010, 01:49:05 am »
Reading the past few pages, the issue of "glomping" appears to be interesting. 

I think when it comes down to it, it needs to be as simple as this, use your best judgment and, if you want to push it even further, do it to people you know.

When I read about the circle that Jacob_Blackfeather had mentioned, because it was in public and off hotel property (aka con property), it can be seen as assault. There is no gray area.  If it was on con property, then it would be handled by con security of course, or hotel security depending on how severe, and dealt with accordingly, I would believe.

Perhaps for future events, Staff need to make a mention in the book involving glomping and basically say that "You may do it, but if it's seen as causing a disturbance in con space, security has the right to ask you to stop, or remove you from said building etc. And in severe cases, K-con reserves the right to remove you from the entirety of con.  Please use your best judgment before engaging in any activity."

I mean its best to ask yourself.  Do I know them?  If the answer is no, then don't do it. It's as simple as that, some people have insane reflexes and if they see someone they don't know charging after them, they could react defensively, like in beast's case, which will hurt another attendee, or attendees but also bring negative, unwanted attention.
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« Reply #97 on: September 15, 2010, 04:42:59 am »
Reading the past few pages, the issue of "glomping" appears to be interesting. 

I think when it comes down to it, it needs to be as simple as this, use your best judgment and, if you want to push it even further, do it to people you know.

When I read about the circle that Jacob_Blackfeather had mentioned, because it was in public and off hotel property (aka con property), it can be seen as assault. There is no gray area.  If it was on con property, then it would be handled by con security of course, or hotel security depending on how severe, and dealt with accordingly, I would believe.

Perhaps for future events, Staff need to make a mention in the book involving glomping and basically say that "You may do it, but if it's seen as causing a disturbance in con space, security has the right to ask you to stop, or remove you from said building etc. And in severe cases, K-con reserves the right to remove you from the entirety of con.  Please use your best judgment before engaging in any activity."

I mean its best to ask yourself.  Do I know them?  If the answer is no, then don't do it. It's as simple as that, some people have insane reflexes and if they see someone they don't know charging after them, they could react defensively, like in beast's case, which will hurt another attendee, or attendees but also bring negative, unwanted attention.

Thank you we told them so kindly not to hug us and they did not maybe they need to put a more strict rule on glomping in the rule book that would help so very much for us cosplayers that have breakable items

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« Reply #98 on: September 15, 2010, 06:40:31 am »
Hearing about a Glomp Circle like that just kinda annoys me. I'm not a touchy-feely person, you can ask any number of my friends how long it takes me to warm up to physically touching someone beyond a handshake or high-5, I'm just uncomfortable with physical contact most of the time. I've never had an issue with people trying to Glomp me...more with casual hugs where I tense up and its extremely awkward.

The one similar instance I experienced was during the Q&A after the Hetalia screening. Someone asked if they could give Todd a (group?) hug...at which point 20-30 people practically ran up to the stage. No one was hurt. This time...but I know I had a mini panic attack standing there, as a guest liaison, 5 feet away, and not be positive that everyone in that circle was okay. Todd is pretty easy going, and thankfully likes hugs. But even guests have their limits. And PLEASE! running and 'glomping' a big group of people is not a good idea. If someone tripped, and fell it would have been very easy for them to get hurt, very quickly.

But there are reasons beyond disliking physical contact to remember.

Allergies - Some people are severely allergic to coloured dyes in makeup or food or drinks, or that peanut butter sandwich you just ate, or purfume...there are lots of things that could cause someone to have a severe reaction, and if they don't get the chance to say 'No', it turns into a very bad situation.

Costumes - A number of people listed delicate costumes, but there is also the potential for pins or other sharp objects to be on people's costumes that you may not be able to see right away.

I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons why people need to be more aware of their fellow con-goer's feelings and boundaries on this subject, but I feel putting something in the Con Book or having more signs wouldn't exactly solve the problem. Things like that, and demos and rules explained at opening ceremonies or in a panel I feel also don't have the same effect as something mandatory...I believe in the 14 or 15 cons I've been to over the years I've been to ONE opening ceremonies, and I've never gone to a 'How to Con' equivalent panel...though I know years ago I tried to go.

To be honest the only way I can think of making sure every attendee realizes some of the problems with glomp circles or other things, is to have the info posted at the reg and pre-reg desks and make them read through the list of 'major concerns from previous years'? This isn't really practical, and it would slow down the lines even more...but its a major safety concern for a lot of people for varying reasons, and it seems a lot of attendees don't realize that.

Now that I've reiterated what's already been talked to death...>_<


My first 'concern' on a con level was lack of other staffers checking for badges. I kept taking my badge off, and holding it, or having it tied to a belt loop so that it was barely visible and while I almost always flash my badge so its visible when I enter rooms and such, there were probably at least a dozen times I could have been stopped and wasn't. I talked to at least one other staffer who noticed this during the con. (I know at least on the first day it wasn't because people knew who I was either...I was in cosplay and people I've staffed with for a few years didn't recognize me till I started talking.) And I am in no way condoning walking around a con without having a badge, or without having a visible badge! (I was very bad about it this year, and will definitely try to be better about having mine on and visible next year!) Besides, taking it on and off gives you more chances to lose your badge!

Its just something that needs to be gone over again and again with new and old staff to make sure they are checking for badges on staff and attendees. I realize it gets tiring having to check badges all day, I work at a movie theatre and I've been yelled at just for asking for a ticket stub at the door, or for ID for a rated R movie. It sucks if you end up with the grumpy person who bites your head off, but its part of a staffer's job to check, not just at doorways but in panel rooms, hallways within con space, etc.


Another bit of etiquette to remember with guests - they are very busy at conventions, after all, some people come to cons just for the guests. Our guests also run a decent amount of panels, which gets tiring after talking and being the center of attention for so long. Tiffany, Todd, and Sonny all flew in from Houston, which isn't a horrible flight all on its own, but its still exhausting when you add in travel to the airport, waiting at the airport, flying, getting off the plane, getting luggage, getting picked up by someone you don't know (we need more colourful signs for next year with bigger print letters btw), going to the con hotel, checking in, getting dinner, etc...its a lot to do before the con even starts.

So when the liaisons (the staff in charge of helping the guests while they are at the con) or the guests say they need to go - eat, to another panel, to bed, anything - that is not the time to be asking for autographs or hugs or pictures. The guests want the attendees to be happy, the staff want the attendees to be happy, but sometimes time just runs out. Our guests this year were really great about trying to do as many autographs as they could during the weekend. But there is a time and place for them, and in the hall, when they are trying to go somewhere else is not that time or place. And to be honest, this is the point when the staff tend to get snippy with attendees...which sucks on all ends cause we don't wanna ruin someone's day. But like with the glomping, no means no.

Also no one should take this personally or the wrong way! It happens at other cons (seen it at Comic Con and at Sak), it happens to movie stars, I'm guilty of being an overzealous fangirl over a guest or two at past cons. So if you're guilty of this, and feel bad about it, don't feel too bad, it happens, just try to be understanding of what the guests and staff request of you so that everyone can have a good time!


Other than those few concerns, I had a very good con - minus a few personal mishaps. All the guests were great, and fun to talk to! And the attendees seemed to really enjoy them! Which was a good thing too! I really hope to see them back again! I'm also super excited for cosplay for next year, I've got a lot of sewing to do! And yeah, don't Glomp without asking, make sure your badge is visible, and don't pester the guests for autographs and pictures!
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Re: SAY IT! Get it off your Chest./It Just Bugs Me (Kumoricon 2010 Edition)
« Reply #99 on: September 15, 2010, 07:29:34 am »
Hearing about a Glomp Circle like that just kinda annoys me. I'm not a touchy-feely person, you can ask any number of my friends how long it takes me to warm up to physically touching someone beyond a handshake or high-5, I'm just uncomfortable with physical contact most of the time. I've never had an issue with people trying to Glomp me...more with casual hugs where I tense up and its extremely awkward.

The one similar instance I experienced was during the Q&A after the Hetalia screening. Someone asked if they could give Todd a (group?) hug...at which point 20-30 people practically ran up to the stage. No one was hurt. This time...but I know I had a mini panic attack standing there, as a guest liaison, 5 feet away, and not be positive that everyone in that circle was okay. Todd is pretty easy going, and thankfully likes hugs. But even guests have their limits. And PLEASE! running and 'glomping' a big group of people is not a good idea. If someone tripped, and fell it would have been very easy for them to get hurt, very quickly.

But there are reasons beyond disliking physical contact to remember.

Allergies - Some people are severely allergic to coloured dyes in makeup or food or drinks, or that peanut butter sandwich you just ate, or purfume...there are lots of things that could cause someone to have a severe reaction, and if they don't get the chance to say 'No', it turns into a very bad situation.

Costumes - A number of people listed delicate costumes, but there is also the potential for pins or other sharp objects to be on people's costumes that you may not be able to see right away.

I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons why people need to be more aware of their fellow con-goer's feelings and boundaries on this subject, but I feel putting something in the Con Book or having more signs wouldn't exactly solve the problem. Things like that, and demos and rules explained at opening ceremonies or in a panel I feel also don't have the same effect as something mandatory...I believe in the 14 or 15 cons I've been to over the years I've been to ONE opening ceremonies, and I've never gone to a 'How to Con' equivalent panel...though I know years ago I tried to go.

To be honest the only way I can think of making sure every attendee realizes some of the problems with glomp circles or other things, is to have the info posted at the reg and pre-reg desks and make them read through the list of 'major concerns from previous years'? This isn't really practical, and it would slow down the lines even more...but its a major safety concern for a lot of people for varying reasons, and it seems a lot of attendees don't realize that.

Now that I've reiterated what's already been talked to death...>_<


My first 'concern' on a con level was lack of other staffers checking for badges. I kept taking my badge off, and holding it, or having it tied to a belt loop so that it was barely visible and while I almost always flash my badge so its visible when I enter rooms and such, there were probably at least a dozen times I could have been stopped and wasn't. I talked to at least one other staffer who noticed this during the con. (I know at least on the first day it wasn't because people knew who I was either...I was in cosplay and people I've staffed with for a few years didn't recognize me till I started talking.) And I am in no way condoning walking around a con without having a badge, or without having a visible badge! (I was very bad about it this year, and will definitely try to be better about having mine on and visible next year!) Besides, taking it on and off gives you more chances to lose your badge!

Its just something that needs to be gone over again and again with new and old staff to make sure they are checking for badges on staff and attendees. I realize it gets tiring having to check badges all day, I work at a movie theatre and I've been yelled at just for asking for a ticket stub at the door, or for ID for a rated R movie. It sucks if you end up with the grumpy person who bites your head off, but its part of a staffer's job to check, not just at doorways but in panel rooms, hallways within con space, etc.


Another bit of etiquette to remember with guests - they are very busy at conventions, after all, some people come to cons just for the guests. Our guests also run a decent amount of panels, which gets tiring after talking and being the center of attention for so long. Tiffany, Todd, and Sonny all flew in from Houston, which isn't a horrible flight all on its own, but its still exhausting when you add in travel to the airport, waiting at the airport, flying, getting off the plane, getting luggage, getting picked up by someone you don't know (we need more colourful signs for next year with bigger print letters btw), going to the con hotel, checking in, getting dinner, etc...its a lot to do before the con even starts.

So when the liaisons (the staff in charge of helping the guests while they are at the con) or the guests say they need to go - eat, to another panel, to bed, anything - that is not the time to be asking for autographs or hugs or pictures. The guests want the attendees to be happy, the staff want the attendees to be happy, but sometimes time just runs out. Our guests this year were really great about trying to do as many autographs as they could during the weekend. But there is a time and place for them, and in the hall, when they are trying to go somewhere else is not that time or place. And to be honest, this is the point when the staff tend to get snippy with attendees...which sucks on all ends cause we don't wanna ruin someone's day. But like with the glomping, no means no.

Also no one should take this personally or the wrong way! It happens at other cons (seen it at Comic Con and at Sak), it happens to movie stars, I'm guilty of being an overzealous fangirl over a guest or two at past cons. So if you're guilty of this, and feel bad about it, don't feel too bad, it happens, just try to be understanding of what the guests and staff request of you so that everyone can have a good time!


Other than those few concerns, I had a very good con - minus a few personal mishaps. All the guests were great, and fun to talk to! And the attendees seemed to really enjoy them! Which was a good thing too! I really hope to see them back again! I'm also super excited for cosplay for next year, I've got a lot of sewing to do! And yeah, don't Glomp without asking, make sure your badge is visible, and don't pester the guests for autographs and pictures!

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