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Offline TanisNikana

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A critical question for humanity
« on: September 27, 2008, 12:02:16 am »
Why is romantic love necessary?

Think this over very carefully.

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2008, 12:11:54 am »
It provides an outlet for doting, it adds depth to coupling, it adds constant inspiration to a relationship and provides the never-ending ability for one to newly discover their love interest. Romanticism is the set of alien eyes we may don to better appreciate they whom we know familiarly on several levels already; romanticism is the undoing of boredom, the ensuring of longevity, and the safeguard of a healthy relationship.


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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2008, 12:26:27 am »
Imagine if it wasn't?  I wonder if civilization would have come this far.  Honestly.  We'd all just be out there ... trying to do stuff.

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2008, 12:31:18 am »
Paris would not have wooed and won the heart of Helen of Troy without romantic love, thus the Trojan War would never have happened, and Ilium, the Iliad, the Odyssey, the Aeneid.......all would cease to be.


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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2008, 12:38:13 am »
It's not necessary for everyone.  

However, it's something that makes people happy.  

If it's not something you really want in your life at this time, that's fine.  You have other things in your life that make you happy and that's good.  

For me, personally, he is entirely necessary.  I really love and appreciate him in everything that he brings to my life.  I love the moments when we're both laughing so hard we're choking, and we realize that there's no one else in the world who understands either of us so well as we do each other.

I need that in my life, and I'm glad I've got someone who is that to me.
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2008, 03:00:50 am »
agreed with all of the above. for me, it is essential. it makes life worth living and helps get me through the day. there isn't any other feeling like it, and i'm glad i get to experience it and share it with my one true love. i could go on about it, but it would probably sound sappy and such, so i'll just say that i know how it makes me feel, how it makes him feel, and it's wonderful ^.^


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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2008, 03:29:03 am »
Kinda a weird question to ask, any reason why tanis?

I think people are wired to be romantic and that is just how it is, no sense in denying who one is.
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2008, 06:33:50 am »
Without romantic love, there would be a lot less anime and manga in the world...

The world would just be full of hentai.

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2008, 07:45:02 am »
I ask it because I have no real capacity for romantic love, and that whenever someone tries to put it on me, I just feel awkward.

I imagine this makes me gay in theory, and asexual in practice.

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2008, 08:08:21 am »
That's fine, and at least you recognize that and can be upfront about it.

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2008, 09:06:36 am »
I agree with Vallie, it could be that it is not right for everyone, or it could be that it is something that won't develop until you find the right person..  But if you never "find the right person" and love in a romantic sense doesn't happen for you that is ok. Not something to dwell on, just be you.

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2008, 10:57:04 pm »
It provides a psychological reason for monogamy, thus reducing the rate of ill-bred children and sexually transmitted illnesses.
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2008, 11:32:20 pm »
Not necessarily--why would romance equate with monogamy necessarily?


Anyway, to answer the primary question, I've never understood that either. What's honestly the big screaming deal? I don't see it as necessary, and while I don't have anything against people that *do* have romantic feelings, I don't appreciate those who insist that it's a part of everyone's lives because that's just plain not true.

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2008, 11:51:16 pm »
It doesn't equate; it argues in favour.  Sexuality is carnal, while romance is social.  I'm not saying it works flawlessly, I'm just saying that romance provides society with an inexplicable reason to engage in sexual activity with only one other individual over time, while primal instinct would drive us to engage in sexual activity with anyone who we find sexually attractive.  It's simply a preventative measure, not a cure.
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2008, 12:13:15 am »
Romantic love doesn't necessarily equal monogamy.  I know many people in poly relationships.  They care deeply for the people they're involved with, and everyone involved is in agreement of what boundaries exist and are respectful of those boundaries. 

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2008, 12:14:04 am »
Romance...you don't NEED it. But it's nice to have.

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2008, 12:16:30 am »
Not necessarily--why would romance equate with monogamy necessarily?
Anyway, to answer the primary question, I've never understood that either. What's honestly the big screaming deal? I don't see it as necessary, and while I don't have anything against people that *do* have romantic feelings, I don't appreciate those who insist that it's a part of everyone's lives because that's just plain not true.
Romantic love doesn't necessarily equal monogamy.  I know many people in poly relationships.  They care deeply for the people they're involved with, and everyone involved is in agreement of what boundaries exist and are respectful of those boundaries. 
To answer blackjack's comment, we are not in any way insisting that romantic love is a part of everyone's life.  I wholeheartedly agree with vallie though, as I am in such a relationship myself.  Romance does not dictate monogamy nor has it ever.  Some of our major leaders over time and history have stemmed through relationships outside marriage.  Take an in-depth look at England's royal family sometime and you'll see what I mean.
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2008, 12:28:27 am »
if you combine romatic love with jealousy then you may have something that encourages monogamy.
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2008, 12:30:56 am »
if you combine romatic love with jealousy then you may have something that encourages monogamy.
Exactly.  Yet if jealousy is not present, then loving relationships in other forms can develop outside the main pair yet still retain romance.  That's how I'm able to live my life now, even though others may not agree or approve of it.
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2008, 12:44:10 am »
I go back to my main idea that it's all about what makes people happy. 

If you're ok on your own, or specifically prefer it, that is fine.  It's much better than those who are co-dependent and cannot function without another person to hold them up.

If you're romantically involved with multiple people, and everyone involved is ok with it, cool.

If you're a person who is geared towards monogamy whether it be out of instinct, preconditioning, jealous tendancies, or because it's simply what works for you, great.

There isn't one thing that is best for "society".  Society is made up of individuals, each one free to make their own decisions and live their own lives.
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2008, 02:03:49 am »
To answer blackjack's comment, we are not in any way insisting that romantic love is a part of everyone's life.

I was speaking in generalities, since a lot of people *do* insist that and go on about "when you find the right person", and I'm like "I have, several times, that's why they're my FRIENDS."

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2008, 01:47:04 pm »
if you combine romatic love with jealousy then you may have something that encourages monogamy.
Thanks for making that point; I think that filled in a gap in my observation.
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2008, 05:32:00 pm »
Honestly, why was this necesarry?
is it to release some anger, or to hear people talk about their lives
[I just want to know, because it seems rather out of the blue]
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2008, 05:45:45 pm »
it's just what the world needs. I'm probably saying things others have already said but what's stated is true. it's how we thrive. emotions are not always necessarily needed but welcomed because they make us human. some are more kind hearted then others which makes them wants romantic love more. it does truly make people feel happy and to have your heart beating around someone just shows how alive you are. and besides the manga industry wouldn't most likely be where it is today with out the many a shojo's being boughten. ^_^

I've never actually had romantic love with anyone so I sort of know where your coming from but I do want to experience it. but I'm young so I can wait.
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2008, 05:47:39 pm »
I agree, we really don't want to live in a world filled with romanticless robots do we? :-\
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2008, 06:06:21 pm »
it'd be sort of like chobits though don't you think?  :D their programmed to love but that doesn't necessarily mean they feel. except for chi.
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2008, 06:09:38 pm »
oh noo XD that was bound to come up sooner or later
I guess so, but then again it would be one-way romantics, because I don't think that Persocoms would have the personality capacity to do that, and humans would just end up being upset for creating the items they love the most

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2008, 06:16:40 pm »
yeah it's all materialistic love after awhile. they can pretend to love you back but like I said they were programmed for that. it's not a real touch. I think every relationship builds character like almost everything else in life does lol. life is boring when the 'person' you love is so prefect they don't argue or anything. blegh :P.

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2008, 06:25:00 pm »
yeah, I agree.....we do need this, and it is what makes us human, that's my imput on the subject
if it's not for you don't force it upon other people to think the same

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2008, 06:39:15 pm »
the last thing you said made me think of people and religion but I'm not gonna get started on that because I don't feel like debating or anything. lol

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2008, 06:41:43 pm »
oh no, that would be bad XD

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2008, 06:48:45 pm »
I know right. people get really heated on religion. but hey love can also fall into it. I believe their might have been some romance in some old religious stories. lol >_<

I noticed that. I can't wait to see it. :3 8 or 9?! that's quite a lot.
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2008, 09:38:59 pm »
I think it all depends on the person. I myself am not a big fan of romancy love, but since I AM asexual to the core mixed with a simple disliking of other people, I do fine by myself. I have friends who I can rely on for company.

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2008, 09:45:29 pm »
I don't understand why people call themselves asexual, because by definition it means: free from or unaffected by sexuality (or having no sex organs). Why do you say you lack a basic carnal human emotion?
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2008, 09:53:00 pm »
I have no sexual urges at all, I find the whole thing disgusting, I could never look at any of the reproductive cycle without cringing and have never grown out of it. It is a abnormal amount of hormones in one's body that does not give them the 'emotion' most people have. I have a doctor's signature proving, yo!  ;)

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2008, 10:10:12 pm »
There's a lot of different factors that effect emotional reaction.  It mostly boils down to nature and nurture.  Sometimes it is a matter of chemistry, such as in Catchxme's example.  But there's other things that could also effect a person's ability to open themselves up to such things.  If a person went through serious trauma during their childhood, it could effect their capacity/desire to open up to another person.

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2008, 10:11:49 pm »
There's a lot of different factors that effect emotional reaction.  It mostly boils down to nature and nurture.  Sometimes it is a matter of chemistry, such as in Catchxme's example.  But there's other things that could also effect a person's ability to open themselves up to such things.  If a person went through serious trauma during their childhood, it could effect their capacity/desire to open up to another person.




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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2008, 10:14:30 pm »
Yes, Drew Pinsky is one of my personal heroes, and listening to loveline helped me deal with a lot of serious issues I faced growing up.  ^_^
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2008, 10:17:29 pm »
once again I agree, Loveline was awesome growing up as it gave me knowledge and also helped my insomnia but nowadays...I don't know maybe Adam leaving toned the show down a bit.

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2008, 10:23:01 pm »
Okay, I do get and admit that all those points are valid, but I'm sure theirs another term for it, asexual just makes me think of humans comparing themselves to sea sponges  ???
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2008, 10:25:29 pm »
Well, it's that way because it seems to relate most with sexuality by refering to the words Bisexual, Heterosexual, and Homosexual.  :D At least that's my view~

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« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2008, 10:30:20 pm »
Haha, yeah I know, I just think of the term in a science-y POV
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2008, 10:33:10 pm »
Haha, yeah I know, I just think of the term in a science-y POV

"Asexuality is a sexual orientation that describes individuals who do not experience sexual attraction.[1] The use of asexuality as a human sexual orientation has been described in a academic studies since the late 1970s, and a community of self-identified asexuals coalesced in the early 21st century, aided by the popularity of online communities.[1] One commonly cited study placed the incidence rate of asexuality at 1%."

it seems as if Asexual is a correct term for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2008, 10:57:04 pm »
I agree that the name is misleading--it makes it seem as though we have no sexual feeling, and that's not true.

But there's a lot of misleading names out there...anyone else wonder why they changed "sex change" to "gender reassignment" when that makes it sound like you don't have a choice? Besides, they're not changing your gender, only your physical body.
Although that's another topic, I suppose.

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2008, 10:59:44 pm »
Honestly, why was this necesarry?
is it to release some anger, or to hear people talk about their lives
[I just want to know, because it seems rather out of the blue]
What seems out of the blue for you has a whole plot line leading up to the creation of the thread for others.

And no, it is for neither. I was talking to the little guy inside of me (the very same little guy, everyone has one, most are afraid to talk to him cause he'll tell you what you don't want to know, but is very true in the end), and he prompted me to ask people I trust for input.

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #45 on: September 28, 2008, 11:01:52 pm »
Okay, I do get and admit that all those points are valid, but I'm sure theirs another term for it, asexual just makes me think of humans comparing themselves to sea sponges  ???
Just because love and sex are valid points of living for you, and that you structure your life around it in such a way to be blind to those who don't, it doesn't mean that we value love and sex much the same way.

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #46 on: September 29, 2008, 10:35:12 pm »
It's awesome that you're somewhat asexual Tanis. And I agree with everyone. I think that as long as you're happy with what you have, either a girlfriend, a boyfriend, or just a friend, that it's all the same. I'm sure Ari would say the same...(but she'd prefer the girlfriend which would be namely her. xD)

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #47 on: September 29, 2008, 10:38:51 pm »
I really don't think romantic love IS necessary....especially at this age. Right now I am more looking to have fun then to settle down in a relationship .....plus when I do find that one person I want to be ready and know what to do rather then be a noob XD

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2008, 12:11:42 am »
It's awesome that you're somewhat asexual Tanis. And I agree with everyone. I think that as long as you're happy with what you have, either a girlfriend, a boyfriend, or just a friend, that it's all the same. I'm sure Ari would say the same...(but she'd prefer the girlfriend which would be namely her. xD)
Thing is, I started with Asperger's Syndrome, a horrible sort of mental disorder which started me off with no ancestral memories, so to speak; I had no emotions, no prejudices, no fears, no nothing at all. A few years back I was undiagnosed, but during that time, I was learning from a book. I learned about happy, I learned about sad, and I liked these two emotions, and I thought they were neat. Then I learned about funny, and I thought it to be the best thing ever. I learned about anger and madness, and wondered why anyone would ever be like this. I learned about boredom, and I know boredom like the back of my hand. And as I learned, I made my learning reflexive. And I made my reflexes instinctive. I rebuilt those ancestral memories from the ground up.

The neat thing about all this is that I know how to play with emotions. I can make you take on virtually any emotion in the book, even those subtled nuanced ones in between happy and anger. (Think about that for a moment, and I can show you, make you feel how that's actually possible.) I can read people like none other.

The big thing is that because I never understood the purpose of anger and madness, that I really don't want to express those emotions; they'd be way too destructive. Folks'd get pissed and try to kill a wall. Never understood why. Trust me, though, I know frustration like any other. My frustration isn't a sort of "Dammit! HOW DARE THEY!" sort of frustration; it's a "I'm in a pickle, gotta get out" sort of frustration.

So yeah, you can't actually piss me off to the point where I become screaming and horrible.

But that's not the point. The point is that along the way, I never learned about romantic love. Whenever I'd ask about it, everyone would say (and I urge you once again to read the entire thread again before you read past this point) that romantic love is "finding the right person". Honestly, I have no real prejudices, because I have no ancestral memories of that sort. Certainly I can find some people to be dicks and douches, but that's only after I've seen their actions. I make no initial judgments towards someone's capacities; this goes for not only evil, but good too. Everyone starts off as a blank slate for me.

There will never be a love at first sight. Ever. Sure, someone can be cute at first sight, but that's just me looking at them. Anyone can look at anyone else. Anyway, say I get to know someone, and they like me. Alright, so Ari wants to go out with me, to use an illustrative and very real-world example. Say she actually does (entirely ignoring the fact that she's female and jailbait. That's not the point.). I don't know anything about romantic love. When someone wants to make out with me, the thought going through my head is not "OMG this is hawt", it's more like "why is this happening, and how do I make it stop". It goes a step further when I have to fake ideals of romantic love and start a kiss; don't want to go letting people down.

But eventually I have to be honest with everyone. I can't romantically love. Don't get me wrong, though, I'm not an emotionless freak; I'd just make a terrible boyfriend. I'd take care of you and treat you well, but I wouldn't have sex (why do people do that?), I'm bad at making out (why do people do that?) and so forth. Basically, I'd be a friend who you'd sleep naked with. Really actually sleep. Snoring and everything. Then I'd wake up in the morning, and wonder why you have all the blankets.

However, just because I utterly fail at being romantic doesn't mean I don't like people. There's heaps and piles of people I like. I'm friends with thousands of people. I'm honestly a people person (who can't get to the very core of being a person). Hugs are amazing. Glomps slightly less so (cause they're hugs with back pains). Having friends beats the crap out of a romantic life because I'm good at friends. Hell, friends and putting friends to work is most likely going to be my job at MEW and Kumo coming up here soon.

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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2008, 07:36:32 am »
Hey, sometimes romance isn't for everyone. No one's forcing you into it. Just do what makes you happy, whether or not it involves being romantically involved with someone.

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« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2008, 07:40:14 am »
I can see the problem that you might run into though. The person you may like wants a romantic relationship where you don't and since you don't they don't want anything but that so they don't even try ANY relationship. Yeah that would suck....but it happens to A LOT of people so don't feel like you are alone.

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« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2008, 09:18:48 am »
The world is littered with broken hearts of those who offered it to someone who didn't feel the same.  It's not an easy situation no matter which side of it you're on or what the reasoning behind it is.  And it's all around us, this same story plays out over and over again.  Unrequited love is the subject of our art, because the pain of a broken heart is a part of our humanity, as is the joy of having it returned ten fold.
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2008, 01:02:28 pm »
Why is romantic love necessary?

Think this over very carefully.

It isn't.
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« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2008, 09:37:05 pm »
Thing is, I started with Asperger's Syndrome, a horrible sort of mental disorder

Horrible? You and I have drastically different experences then, because it's GREAT for me.

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which started me off with no ancestral memories, so to speak; I had no emotions, no prejudices, no fears, no nothing at all.

...yeeeeeah, I don't think that's the AS. I've never *not* had emotions, and frankly I've never understood why there's the image of the emotionless autistic person, because I've never met anyone else with it that didn't have 'em. We just have trouble *expressing* them, but they're still there.

Not having them at all is something else *entirely*.

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« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2008, 09:39:21 pm »
For the job I have and the person I am trying to be, AS is horrible. Your mileage may vary.

But I did get undiagnosed.

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« Reply #55 on: September 30, 2008, 10:11:56 pm »
"Undiagnosed"? You mean diagnosed as something else all along? That means you didn't have AS to begin with, not that it went away or anything.

And what the heck is your job then? And why not go with one more suited to your needs and wants?

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« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2008, 10:16:26 pm »
if you don't have it anymore (more like not having it to begin with) don't say it affects your life now, if it's not there to.
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« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2008, 10:47:48 pm »
It was undiagnosed because most of the criteria for having AS were not present in me anymore.

It's like having a tumor, being diagnosed with having a tumor, getting the tumor removed, then not having a tumor anymore, but having a hole in your skin where the tumor once was. Is benign hole, but is still hole.

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« Reply #58 on: September 30, 2008, 10:50:12 pm »
All holes heal you know. That's just called hanging onto a memory or something related to it.
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« Reply #59 on: September 30, 2008, 11:01:27 pm »
I think for once I will step in between this and say this has moved from a forum topic to a PM topic and maybe should be treated as such, and yes I mean just Kona and Tanis...but do what you want, just putting my opinion in.

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« Reply #60 on: September 30, 2008, 11:25:21 pm »
I don't intend to take it to a PM with him; it's already been resolved, and not everyone else has said the rest of their bits.

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« Reply #61 on: September 30, 2008, 11:28:49 pm »
It was undiagnosed because most of the criteria for having AS were not present in me anymore.

It's like having a tumor, being diagnosed with having a tumor, getting the tumor removed, then not having a tumor anymore, but having a hole in your skin where the tumor once was. Is benign hole, but is still hole.

...you can't, like, not be autistic any more. It's in your genetic makeup. Either you are or you aren't.

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« Reply #62 on: September 30, 2008, 11:29:03 pm »
Well as long as it has been resolved then that is all that matter. I never said the topic should be closed just that bit so it is a moot point now.

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« Reply #63 on: September 30, 2008, 11:41:49 pm »
It was undiagnosed because most of the criteria for having AS were not present in me anymore.

It's like having a tumor, being diagnosed with having a tumor, getting the tumor removed, then not having a tumor anymore, but having a hole in your skin where the tumor once was. Is benign hole, but is still hole.

...you can't, like, not be autistic any more. It's in your genetic makeup. Either you are or you aren't.
Autism is entirely derived from nurture, not nature.

And besides, the thread is about love.

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« Reply #64 on: September 30, 2008, 11:49:50 pm »
That's complete bullplop. Bettleheim was disproven years ago. Why people still cite him and his insipidly stupid "refrigerator mothers" is beyond me considering there was never a scrap of evidence to support it.

It's been proven time and again to be genetic. Do a little research next time before you make the smart people look bad.

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« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2008, 12:23:37 am »
I don't think it's necessary at all, but I am just a young-un so I know very little of love.

All I've had are crushes, and I always end up glad that they never evolve into anything more than that for some reason or the other x3

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« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2008, 01:34:26 pm »
Just because you have yet to experience something, or don't wish to experience something, doesn't necessarily mean that you CAN'T. You may not want to, but it's definitely not impossible for someone to feel an emotion they don't wish to or supposedly 'can't'.

Life is full of surprises, and people change as they get older. Just because you might not want something right now, doesn't mean you won't later on.

As for love; there's more to life then finding that 'one true person'. Most people don't understand that. Instead they spend most of their lives searching for someone to love when they're missing out on the other fun things in life. Like traveling, or doing things that they've always wanted to do.
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« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2008, 01:46:15 pm »
 Eh, I'm 25 and have gone my entire life without it.

 I don't feel like I'm missing anything, I think it would onyl complicate things.

 I really,  don't think any one philosophy on 'love' is correct. It depends entirely on the person.

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« Reply #68 on: October 02, 2008, 09:56:04 pm »
Wow. Why doesn't everybody stop pretending to be intellectual, and just get down to the meat and potatoes, the facts: because it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

I am not, by any means, saying that true love (a mostly meaningless concept) is the point of life. No, I am merely suggesting that being in love with somebody makes you feel good, as well as bad.

Also, you people bickering about syndromes: stop trying to be right on the internet.

also, BJG is right about autism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism i think that bother guy might be mistaking early measures taken by parents to help their child develop skills for a cure to autism.
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« Reply #69 on: October 02, 2008, 11:01:40 pm »
But it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy. Just awkward.

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« Reply #70 on: October 03, 2008, 12:00:54 am »
But it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy. Just awkward.
well, did you ever consider that perhaps you've never gotten past that awkward stage of it? as John Mellencamp once opined "Sometimes love dont feel like it should," in a song aptly named "Hurt So Good."

I none the less would feel very sorry for anybody who can't genuinely can't feel romantic love for a man or woman.
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« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2008, 02:28:54 am »
That's complete bullplop. Bettleheim was disproven years ago. Why people still cite him and his insipidly stupid "refrigerator mothers" is beyond me considering there was never a scrap of evidence to support it.

It's been proven time and again to be genetic. Do a little research next time before you make the smart people look bad.

I know this is a topic about love, but I am going to put my two cents in on the basis of how a person can develop autism first.  Blackjack, Tanis, you are actually both right on this.  I've seen a lot of evidence that points to both nature and nurture as being causes of autism.  Blackjack you also need to remember that this is a thread for constructive criticism, please.  Sayda, you may have a point there.  Romantic love may not be something people WANT to experience, but it also does not preclude the fact that some people may be genuinely incapable of experiencing it.  Think of this example:  most people feel regret or shame for committing certain crimes, whereas sociopaths do not.  Some people are capable of feeling love, others aren't, no matter how much they may want to or we say they can.  Not to say that anyone who doesn't feel romantic love is a sociopath, just hoping that might better explain my thoughts.
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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #72 on: October 03, 2008, 03:10:35 am »
it's hard to get to a common ground on topics like this because everyone has their own opinion based on experience, so really, not many people are going to come to the same understanding. i see a lot of arguing in this thread and not a lot of consideration of peoples comments. why not try to take what people say as the opinions that were asked for instead of immediately taking it personally and shooting it down without taking time to think about it. i understand everyone has their own stand on this, just like i do, just take the time to consider all sides and value what is said. i happen to not agree with a lot of what has been said here, but i have found my true love, which exists for me, and am happy, so i can't make other people think the same way since no one has had the exact same experience as me, but i can still appreciate that others have different opinions and take them as such. sorry, i have a hard time putting into words what i wanted to say, but that's the jist of it...


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Re: A critical question for humanity
« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2008, 03:25:33 am »
I've seen a lot of evidence that points to both nature and nurture as being causes of autism.

That's not true. A person can become withdrawn and show what appear to be autistic traits, but you can paint a car like an elephant and it doesn't make it an elephant.

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« Reply #74 on: October 05, 2008, 02:35:32 pm »
I agree. If you're going to ask a question such as this, please be open minded.

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« Reply #75 on: October 06, 2008, 08:49:39 pm »
Making a separate topic for the discussion of Aspergers Syndrom/Autism Spectrum and discussion thereof.
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« Reply #76 on: October 09, 2008, 07:26:52 pm »
Why is romantic love necessary?

Think this over very carefully.

I've read every comment made in this topic and I must say it's interesting and entertaining at the same time. Oh and love isn't necessary.

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« Reply #77 on: October 18, 2008, 02:46:40 pm »
And yet, when I see my friends in romantic relationships, it gets at me just a bit, knowing I can never quite derive the same enjoyment that they do.

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« Reply #78 on: October 18, 2008, 03:48:12 pm »
I felt the same way a lot. It's like everyone else has the same shoes, and just because you don't have them you must just not be able to get them. It's not that you just don't want them, even though it's true you could get them and you just choose not to. I'd say just think about this: You may not have a romantic relationship, but you have friends who love you and not many people have that.  :D

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« Reply #79 on: October 18, 2008, 03:53:42 pm »
A lot of folks' friends would stab each other for a hundred bucks.

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« Reply #80 on: October 18, 2008, 03:58:21 pm »
a hundred? shoot, I'd do it for 70. lol jk I kid. I wouldn't hurt my friends for anything. I might not have a romantic relationship with them, hopefully never will that'd just be weird, but I know their there for me. And I'm there for them because if I don't have a 'relationship' with anyone else then what else is there? hopefully they wouldn't harm then that would suck a little. 0_0
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« Reply #81 on: October 18, 2008, 04:14:11 pm »
And when you end a romantic relationship with someone, you often never think well of them again.

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« Reply #82 on: October 18, 2008, 04:51:07 pm »
I'm a relationship noob, but after mutually ending it with my old boyfriend we were even better friends than we were before we became a couple. It could just depend on every person individually though x3

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« Reply #83 on: October 18, 2008, 05:16:29 pm »
@oslapedo
I'm bigger newbie then you are.  I never had a relationship.

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« Reply #84 on: October 19, 2008, 12:31:47 am »
  If you want to get VERY 'technical' I have been in two 'relationships'.

I ended them both after a week.

It was because both times the guys changed SO much the second it was made 'official'.

I never have and never will understand why they thought that was necessary, if I liked them the way they were why the hell would I like them once they acted differently?

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« Reply #85 on: October 19, 2008, 01:39:54 am »
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sounds like they have completely different views on offical relationships or the or the fact of being in a offical relationship shook them up in someway.  but that just me speculating.  I can understand changing oneself in small parts in a offical relationship, but a huge change, I wouldn't see the need for it personally in most cases
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« Reply #86 on: October 19, 2008, 12:04:12 pm »
@ThiefKing
sounds like they have completely different views on offical relationships or the or the fact of being in a offical relationship shook them up in someway.  but that just me speculating.  I can understand changing oneself in small parts in a offical relationship, but a huge change, I wouldn't see the need for it personally in most cases

I don't know if I would call it a 'major' change so much as a " this is why I think I'm supposed to act" kind of change.

Before,we were good friends and we'd hang out and talk about videogames/anime ect.
Then it was always with the damned pet names and IMing me every two seconds with nothing more to say than " omg I love you' and crap liek that.

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« Reply #87 on: October 20, 2008, 02:29:09 am »
@ThiefKing
That may be the case. or the excitement of being in an offical got to their heads or something, but its likely what you said.
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« Reply #88 on: October 20, 2008, 10:20:44 am »
iv been part of a poly relationship for over 3 years now and it works out for me just fine. Sure I am the guy on the side and shes married to the other guy but that just means when I need my space or she needs hers or he needs his, we all have somewhere to go LOL.  sure there are times of tension or arguments but that's just how relationships go. and the same goes for those times where the girl sends tons of text messages all day long, which can get aggravating but its also quite cute. I guess you just have to have a sense of humor about it.
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« Reply #89 on: October 20, 2008, 11:34:24 am »
@ThiefKing
That may be the case. or the excitement of being in an offical got to their heads or something, but its likely what you said.

 I don't know why they would think that that way. I'm sure a lot of people would think I'm just be too insenstive but really;

 Guys are SUPPOSED to be the logical, straight-to-the-point-ones. ( but you really can't trust any stereotype. I'M more that way than any guy I know)

I figured it would be common sense to them that if I wanted that type of relationship, I would have been with some sensitive guy. 
Not they're  off-color-joke-loving-metal-head selves.
There's also the fact that if they didn't know me well enough to realize that in the first place, they had no business BEING with me.


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« Reply #90 on: October 20, 2008, 02:09:51 pm »
perhaps true yet iv yet to meet a single woman alive (who has gotten into a relationship) who has not wanted the man to change after they spend enough time together because the little things drive her nuts and thus must be changed.
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