Author Topic: How far would you go? (Read 22502 times)

Kimiski · « **on:** March 19, 2006, 05:33:08 pm »

So how far do you guys all travel to come to Kumoricon?
And how far are you willing to travel for a convention?

I'm only about an hour away in Salem, Oregon.

Cons for me right now have to be in state and close by... I would still probably go if it was in Astoria... but anywhere near the California border I probably wouldnt. Since I'm only 16 with a permit, It would depend on my 21 year old sister and her friends who are the ones that drive me and her places.

Negima · « **Reply #1 on:** March 19, 2006, 06:11:20 pm »

I only need to travel about 2 hours by car or 3 hours by train and MAX.

I'm not sure how far I would travel for a convention. I did consider the idea of going to SakuraCon years ago but I had some difficulty trying to figure out how to get there without a car.
Anyway, I think Seattle would be my limit. Maybe California.

sumomo_san · « **Reply #2 on:** March 19, 2006, 08:29:16 pm »

2 hours on the max for last year.

I really have no say in it; it depends on how far my parents are willing to let me go and if my sister and her friends mind me tagging along :?

Underground Panda Smiles · « **Reply #3 on:** March 19, 2006, 09:31:15 pm »

Last year it took like an hour by Max. ^__^

makichan · « **Reply #4 on:** March 19, 2006, 09:42:59 pm »

it was funny... I got on the max to go from forest grove to portland and when I got on, I already noticed some cosplayers... more and more kept getting on, it was awesome!!! I think I would consider going from califorina... if I lived there, could drive, and had the gas money aheheheh

Waffles · « **Reply #5 on:** March 20, 2006, 02:47:27 am »

well kcon 04 i went from so cal to the convention

Eternal Yamcha · « **Reply #6 on:** March 20, 2006, 03:16:33 am »

I traveled... Let's see... 15 minutes to get to the convention last year? Yeah. This year it might be a solid 30 to 45 minutes considering it's in Jantzen Beach this year... Which I'm not a fan of... Not that Jantzen Beach is bad, just for another reason.

I THINK I know the hotel it's going to be at this year, I might be wrong, but I keep thinking it use to be a Double Tree Hotel and was converted into a Red Lion, but I might be wrong. If it is the same hotel I am thinking of, then it's really REALLY nice...

Right now, I'd probably be willing to travel as far north as Seattle and as far south as San Diego.

Neko_Chan · « **Reply #7 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:26:48 am »

You are right, the convention hotel used to be a Double Tree and then was converted into a Red Lion...

Lets hope we don't have any more mishap at the elevators... seeing as the hotel is 3 floors. xD God I miss those elevator rides...

superjaz · « **Reply #8 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:41:46 am »

depends on the con when i was in japan last summer i don't know how they would of gotten me to leave if kumoricon wasnt coing up.

Pie Row Maniac · « **Reply #9 on:** March 20, 2006, 11:11:44 am »

I had to walk 15 minutes last year. *lives next to Lloyd Center

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I'm willing to travel within the States if I hear the con's a good one or a lot of online folks I know are going. Went to AWA in Georgia last year, was totally worth it.

nonomi_ikari · « **Reply #10 on:** March 20, 2006, 11:58:13 am »

I havn't gone to Kumoricon yet, but this year I'm traveling about six hours if I drive, and one if I fly. I'm goin in from Boise, Idaho.

antibishie · « **Reply #11 on:** March 20, 2006, 03:12:47 pm »

It only takes me about 20 minutes to get to the convention from home, but I have a friend who's flying out all the way from Ohio for KumoriCon.

Penumbra Shade · « **Reply #12 on:** March 20, 2006, 07:24:55 pm »

Well, offhand I'd say not very far, but that's taking into account that I've never been to a con of any kind. (If I can, I'm going to check out Kumoricon this year, and that has the potential to change my opinion dramaticaly...).

Dustin · « **Reply #13 on:** March 21, 2006, 12:18:39 am »

For Kumoricon, it takes me around three to three and a half hours. Depending on traffic and which route I choose.

If its a nice day, ill drive up the coastline, through Newport and Lincoln City. If its not, Ill take 126 to Eugene, and go up that way.

It took me about eight hours to go to Sakuracon. Including rest breaks and a lunch break. The weather was terrible, and I went alone, too. Didn't have anyone to carpool with back then, lol. Plus, my friend who was supposed to go cancelled at the last minute, becauses his work called him in, even though he had the time off.

I live in Southern Oregon, so, yeah. However, I have done the ride to Portland so many times, it just flies right by, now.

As for how far I would go for a con. I would have no limits. If I wanted to go, I would go. Heck, I almost made it to A-kon two years ago, and almost to AX last year. Wish I hadn't missed AX last year. Hara Tetsuo was there, and I really wanted to meet him, even though he wasn't there as a guest, and he hosted a panel of sorts. Not sure, but a friend of mine that lives in Oceanside went, and another friend that lives in San Diego.

Kimiski · « **Reply #14 on:** March 21, 2006, 01:54:33 am »

Quote from: "nonomi_ikari"

I havn't gone to Kumoricon yet, but this year I'm traveling about six hours if I drive, and one if I fly. I'm goin in from Boise, Idaho.

WOw....and turst me you wont be dissapointed. ^_^

Eternal Yamcha · « **Reply #15 on:** March 21, 2006, 02:03:07 am »

Ha ha! This'll be the FOURTH convention I went to in that hotel then ^_^ Sweet! If they haven't changed the inside too much, it'll be awesome. It's a VERY nice hotel, I liked it more than the Marriot and the DT at LC. *Sniffles* Good GameStorm memories there and soon, great K-Con memories as well. *Cries*

Miss Faye · « **Reply #16 on:** March 21, 2006, 10:22:34 pm »

like half a mile to kcon... woo hoo, it's so far man, you don't even know... i am going all the way to seattle for sakuracon though!

Kimiski · « **Reply #17 on:** March 22, 2006, 02:23:49 pm »

Quote from: "Miss Faye"

like half a mile to kcon... woo hoo, it's so far man, you don't even know... i am going all the way to seattle for sakuracon though!

Geez... it would take me like 2 years to save up enough money to go. T.T

superjaz · « **Reply #18 on:** March 22, 2006, 02:43:58 pm »

Quote from: "kimiski"

Quote from: "Miss Faye"
like half a mile to kcon... woo hoo, it's so far man, you don't even know... i am going all the way to seattle for sakuracon though!

Geez... it would take me like 2 years to save up enough money to go. T.T

I hear ya, some day tho some day..

the_wind_the_sea · « **Reply #19 on:** March 22, 2006, 06:19:27 pm »

I currently got to both Kumori-Con and Sakura-Con.

I really have no limit on miles for a convention. I'm planning on going to Anime Evolution, Fanime, Anime Expo, and Otakon in the next two years. ^_^ It's lots of work to save up all the damn money, but oh so worth it. Hell, I might even decide to check out a few other East Coast cons...

guspasho · « **Reply #20 on:** March 29, 2006, 10:27:42 am »

Posting games!

Kimiski · « **Reply #21 on:** March 30, 2006, 12:52:00 am »

Why was this moved?? It's not a game. O.o

riverspree · « **Reply #22 on:** April 06, 2006, 11:24:21 am »

about 3 1/2 hours here from roseburg :sigh: 2 more years of schooling and then its hello vancouver :roll:

leashy · « **Reply #23 on:** April 06, 2006, 12:52:31 pm »

Quote from: "riverspree"

about 3 1/2 hours here from roseburg :sigh: 2 more years of schooling and then its hello vancouver :roll:

Vancouver, BC or washington?

Vancouver Washington is the place to be I tell you >D

Anyway I am not going very far, maybe like 10-20 miles at the most.

I am however opening my door to a friend canadian catgirl from the boards, so I will pick her up from the bus station and let her stay at my place a few nights out of the kindness of my heart =D

On a completely unrelated note, I want a cookie..

Vondan · « **Reply #24 on:** April 06, 2006, 01:04:55 pm »

Quote from: "leashy"

On a completely unrelated note, I want a cookie..

no I want a cookie I have not had sugar in 6 weeks. I realy need to score me some pepsi and hearshy bar, i'm getting da shakes man and need that fix

And I'm only going about 3-4 hours from Eugene and I have a GOOD FRIEND in P-Land I will crash with but they dont know it yet.

"A friend will help you move a GOOD FRIEND will help you move.....A BODY"

riverspree · « **Reply #25 on:** April 06, 2006, 01:21:48 pm »

ekkk triple posting!

Washington actually, close enough to family and friends but a nice location. Got a lot of family in the White Salmon/Lyle area. And more up by Tacoma.

Vondan · « **Reply #26 on:** April 06, 2006, 01:43:41 pm »

I dont know how the happend it treated my edits as a new post. I'm looking for a self delete option

Leashy wanted to know what Vancover because her and spindrift have an anime biker gang in Vancover WA and they take wild road trips it's like animal house but in Sailor Moon Outfits

ambergen87 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 07, 2006, 02:18:09 pm »

Just within the state right now. I wanted to go to Sakuracon this year, but I couldn't find a way to get there.

I live in Newberg. Only a half-hour drive to the con. Depending on traffic.

Krn Doxy · « **Reply #28 on:** April 10, 2006, 07:43:53 pm »

About 3 or 4 hours by bus- I'm coming down from WA.

Vondan · « **Reply #29 on:** April 10, 2006, 08:18:57 pm »

Quote from: "Krn Doxy"

About 3 or 4 hours by bus- I'm coming down from WA.

yeah the bus the members from Alaska and Canada are going to Hijack in Victoria BC and drive to seattle and pick up more con goers then picking up more along I5 on the way to Portland

Krn Doxy · « **Reply #30 on:** April 11, 2006, 08:12:26 am »

Quote from: "Vondan"

yeah the bus the members from Alaska and Canada are going to Hijack in Victoria BC and drive to seattle and pick up more con goers then picking up more along I5 on the way to Portland

Well, I don't approve of hijacking buses... (laugh). I wonder if I'll see you on the bus? I'm not sure when my friends are going, but I wanna try and get on around 3 or 4 in the morning to get there by 8.

Lin · « **Reply #31 on:** April 15, 2006, 09:53:00 pm »

About a 2 and a half hour drive but to make it by opening ceremonies my buds and I are getting up at 4am.... Sadly I am stuck driving... :roll:
I think my con distance limit would be Cali since I go there every once and a while to visit my dad.

Sasu-kitty · « **Reply #32 on:** April 16, 2006, 12:36:29 am »

I'm coming from Alaska. Enough said.

If I could get the money, I'd go around the world for a convention. They're just that fun.

leashy · « **Reply #33 on:** April 16, 2006, 06:37:21 am »

Quote from: "Vondan"

yeah the bus the members from Alaska and Canada are going to Hijack in Victoria BC and drive to seattle and pick up more con goers then picking up more along I5 on the way to Portland

Just make sure to take lots of pictures for us all to see!

Quote from: "Krn Doxy"

About 3 or 4 hours by bus- I'm coming down from WA.

What part of Washington do you live in?

Daxe · « **Reply #34 on:** April 16, 2006, 11:52:42 am »

Id go to Kcon from anywhere so long as I had others to go with me. Theres nothing like a good group at an anime convention

EDITED FOR CRAPPY SPELLING ERRORS :oops:

Vondan · « **Reply #35 on:** April 16, 2006, 12:06:25 pm »

Quote from: "Sasu-kitty"

I'm coming from Alaska. Enough said.

If I could get the money, I'd go around the world for a convention. They're just that fun.

there was some one posting on the cosplay thread who said he was from swedan and might be visiting oregon in 2 years and would like to go to K con. In the mean time he wants to find other anime fans in his area and have a anime party I sujested the name Krumkakecon (from Krumkake the Swedish cookie my grand mother makes)

Krn Doxy · « **Reply #36 on:** April 16, 2006, 08:20:00 pm »

Quote from: "leashy"

What part of Washington do you live in?

Everett. It's small, but it's nice.

lightlysalted · « **Reply #37 on:** August 06, 2006, 05:22:15 pm »

Hm. Live in Portland, so Kumoricon's no issue for me. This year its about a 15-20 minute drive if traffic is good.

...and really, I don't think I'd go much farther than Southern California. And that'd be pushing it... kinda.

babysugarbear28 · « **Reply #38 on:** August 06, 2006, 05:52:46 pm »

I have about a 2 or 2 and a half hour drive to the con from the looks of it. I am going in a group though and luckily we booked our hotel at the beginning of the year if not before that... XD yay us... we will have somewhere to sleep at night

I would go pretty much anywhere in Washington, California, Oregon, Idaho.. whatever ya know northwest imediate states and stuff... I really wanna go to some cons during the summer in Cali... I would just need a place to stay

Dark_Lady_Kassendra · « **Reply #39 on:** August 06, 2006, 06:51:08 pm »

I'll be driving up from Bakersfield, CA. Nearly 1000 miles. And 18 hour drive O.O I did it once already though, so it'll be easier this time around....I hope-.-

I'm willing to do this 1. because I had already registered before I moved down here from Rainier. and 2. because K-con is awesome and I will always do whatever is in my power to make it each and every year no matter where I am. ^.^

Waffles · « **Reply #40 on:** August 06, 2006, 06:52:27 pm »

move back to oregon!

Dark_Lady_Kassendra · « **Reply #41 on:** August 06, 2006, 06:54:07 pm »

I want to.... really I do, and the first chance I get I'm going to ^.^

Kouta · « **Reply #42 on:** August 06, 2006, 07:47:00 pm »

No idea... I drive from olympia to seattle a fair amount a year... so now that sakuracon is there its np for me. Also down in portland there is alot of stuff that goes on there and drive there about 3-4 times a year... and its not really that far. I'd probably drive as far as about 3-4 hours in one directon. Also, if people I know are going to a different one i would try to go there... was trying really hard to go to otakon this year but didn't make it... since i hear yoshiki was going to be there among other people. :3

rosaryblue · « **Reply #43 on:** August 07, 2006, 01:43:27 am »

The farthest convention I've attended is Big Apple Anime Fest in Times Square, NYC. I didn't attend any events. It was more of a big dealer room shopping spree! I miss that convention.

I haven't attempted any other driving conventions farther than Kumoricon. Maybe in the future.

Kimiski · « **Reply #44 on:** August 07, 2006, 02:30:16 am »

I wanna go to Otakon so BADLY.... ><

GURRRR.... If I did though I would probably have to miss Kummoricon for money reasons, and I don wanna do that.....

But Otakon is so Awesome.
I watched as much footage as I could get a hold of on youtube.

Writer · « **Reply #45 on:** August 07, 2006, 07:21:36 pm »

*laughs madly with glee* I live about fifteen minuites from Kumoricon! which is bloody lucky if I say so myself, if it was any farther I probably would not be able to go. Sucks to be underage with no one willing to drive you to an anime convention. I'd just have to make Pen. Shade (teh brother) get his drivers license so he could drive us there. 'Tis good that it hasn't come to that.

Even so I'm not going this year. I went to Europe for ten days, and even though I was saving up my own money to go (a measly allowance of three bucks a week) I still have to bask in the glory of my Europe trip and am not allowed to go. >.>[/size]

Penumbra Shade · « **Reply #46 on:** August 07, 2006, 08:07:19 pm »

Shorten random bits of my name will ye? *Shakes fist*

Meh. If I tried to drive there we'd proabably end up in a car crash somewhere in Canada...

babysugarbear28 · « **Reply #47 on:** August 08, 2006, 12:11:50 am »

Kass thats an awful long time in the car.... it only takes me 16 hours max to get to LA from the Eugene area.... and well... thats with bathroom breaks, a nap and food stops... o.O strange it should take you 18 hours to get to Pland... Wow... and thats only an extra hour and a half two hours from Eugene to Portland... hmm... you travel slooooooooooow *hugs* poor thing... come back to us... just not on days like today.. it rained finally and it smelled like arse...

Writer · « **Reply #48 on:** August 08, 2006, 12:29:25 pm »

Quote from: "Penumbra Shade"

Shorten random bits of my name will ye? *Shakes fist*

Meh. If I tried to drive there we'd proabably end up in a car crash somewhere in Canada...

I think I will shorten random bits of your name! Ha! First amendmant in you face!

You make it sound like you don't like canadians. Admit it!

personally, I thing it would be awsome to be handcuffed by real mounties for not haveing a passport.

Penumbra Shade · « **Reply #49 on:** August 08, 2006, 12:34:38 pm »

Should I just call you 'Writ.' then...?

Aye, that'd be all fine and dandy--if we managed to crawl out of the twisted burning wreckage brought about by my driving skills, and managed to stumble to a hospital...plus, we'd miss out on Kumoricon 'cause I have no sense of direction and had driven us to Canada...

Tinkeu · « **Reply #50 on:** August 08, 2006, 04:02:38 pm »

lmao, well, they have conventions in Canada too xD...not K-con though. TT_TT

I live in Salem so I only have an hour car ride infront of me. ^^ But how far I would go, that is the question^_^ Well... Otakon, I think I might come close to killing to go to...(if I got put in jail, there would be no con at all TT_TT) but...just really depends on the convention. Normally, maybe a state away or so..... unless I have plenty of time and money to get me somewhere.... then I really would care about the distance^^

EcchiSpice · « **Reply #51 on:** August 08, 2006, 06:00:14 pm »

@ vondan - I deleted those duplicates for you.

I have driven 13 hours for a con. Fanime in San Jose.

I think I'll be about a half hour from the con when I move next week.

I think the winner is badge number one. She's coming from Missouri.

Writer · « **Reply #52 on:** August 10, 2006, 03:51:26 pm »

Quote from: "Penumbra Shade"

Should I just call you 'Writ.' then...?

Aye, that'd be all fine and dandy--if we managed to crawl out of the twisted burning wreckage brought about by my driving skills, and managed to stumble to a hospital...plus, we'd miss out on Kumoricon 'cause I have no sense of direction and had driven us to Canada...

Writ doesn't equal out to Writer. >.>

aw, sucker. We could go to kumoricon next year. Besides, then we'd have some cool scars to show off to our friends!

Penumbra Shade · « **Reply #53 on:** August 10, 2006, 04:05:33 pm »

@Tinkeu: True--unfortunately, we wouldn't be registered for said cons before we came crashing though their wall...

@Writer: Aye. And Pen equals Penumbra not...

It's a moot point really--I don't have a car, a license, or money for gas either, so I'll just stick with my current plan...

Catgirl Rin Rin · « **Reply #54 on:** August 10, 2006, 06:21:03 pm »

Quote from: "leashy"

Quote from: "riverspree"
about 3 1/2 hours here from roseburg :sigh: 2 more years of schooling and then its hello vancouver :roll:

Vancouver, BC or washington?

Vancouver Washington is the place to be I tell you >D

Anyway I am not going very far, maybe like 10-20 miles at the most.

I am however opening my door to a friend canadian catgirl from the boards, so I will pick her up from the bus station and let her stay at my place a few nights out of the kindness of my heart =D

On a completely unrelated note, I want a cookie..

I will purchase a box of whatever favorite cookie you want for your extreme kindness ^____^ I must thank you again! Thank you!

I live in Gold River, B.C. Canada and it'll be about 10 hours to get there. 5 to get to Vancouver, B.C, and about another 5 to take the train down.

And then stay up late helping Leashy-Chan with her costume, watch movies, and make stuff with her! *cheers*

It's awesome to hear of so many people going, I hope to see all of you there!

Kexita · « **Reply #55 on:** August 10, 2006, 06:27:57 pm »

Im not coming from very far for kumori con. :3 Just a 45 minute drive or so. The farthest ive ever gone for a con was sakura con 2006, which took ALL DAY in that fricken car. because of the horrible traffic. @_@ we crammed 10 people into a motorhome made for maybe 5 people at the most just to enjoy sakura con. :3 it was worth it!<3 oh, and sakura con was in washington. under normal circumstances, id guess it was a 6-7 hour car ride. thats not so bad. :3 not when your with your closest friends.

Writer · « **Reply #56 on:** August 10, 2006, 07:02:35 pm »

Quote from: "Penumbra Shade"

@Tinkeu: True--unfortunately, we wouldn't be registered for said cons before we came crashing though their wall...

@Writer: Aye. And Pen equals Penumbra not...

It's a moot point really--I don't have a car, a license, or money for gas either, so I'll just stick with my current plan...

Ha! Writer is short for something already! it is short for 'writeronotes'. eat that.

Shade shade shade.... You are missing the point! Since the Kcon is not too far away and we are not driving, the entire discussion was in a world of fantasy. No point is moot! so penguin shall be kept from the light of day!

Penumbra Shade · « **Reply #57 on:** August 10, 2006, 09:24:24 pm »

So? What's to keep me from re-shortening your pre-shortened SN, eh?

Thou speaks falsity! As it diverges from our current conniving plots in this plane of reality--all points are moot! Since none of it matters, (the penguin included, I'm afraid

) anything and everything said in this conversation, will slowly but surely begin to collapse under it's own poimtlessness--until it forms a moot singularity!

rosaryblue · « **Reply #58 on:** August 11, 2006, 03:01:16 am »

Well, to all the drivers from far and near, I will raise a cup of coffee. To the driving days before Kumoricon!
Safe driving.

_________________

"Coffee makes me sleepy."

Writer · « **Reply #59 on:** August 11, 2006, 08:48:10 am »

Quote from: "Penumbra Shade"

So? What's to keep me from re-shortening your pre-shortened SN, eh?

Thou speaks falsity! As it diverges from our current conniving plots in this plane of reality--all points are moot! Since none of it matters, (the penguin included, I'm afraid) anything and everything said in this conversation, will slowly but surely begin to collapse under it's own poimtlessness--until it forms a moot singularity!

Re=shortening my pre-shortened name?! Redundancy!

(The poor penguin...

) Ooh, and then everything will be sucked ruthlessly into the moot singularity thus rendering every point ever made, that was made, and shall ever be made completely moot! The mere act of walking will be scorned for the mere pointlessness of it all! And thus, humanity will whither away in indifference.[/size]

Penumbra Shade · « **Reply #60 on:** August 11, 2006, 10:14:33 am »

Most phantasmicaly so!

Not true! Though all points ever made and ever to be made are indeed moot, on a cosmic scale of things, humanity not be indifferent! Lots of people--indeed, almost everyone cares about many pointless points out there...total indifference is hard to find!

Unfortuanately for you, the whole me-driving-you-to-Kumoricon/Canada bit is moot even relative to us...

Writer · « **Reply #61 on:** August 11, 2006, 10:20:47 am »

Oh dear. Bram has become redundant... just wait 'till your father finds out! TT-TT

ahhh, the driving to kumoricon/canada topic... we were talking about that, weren't we? I had forgotten.[/size]

Penumbra Shade · « **Reply #62 on:** August 11, 2006, 10:24:08 am »

Hey now--don't use my real name on forums eh?

Aye. Indeed we were--and by forgetting, I'm afraid that you have proved my point on how exactly moot it is!

Writer · « **Reply #63 on:** August 11, 2006, 10:47:06 am »

Quote from: "Penumbra Shade"

Hey now--don't use my real name on forums eh?

Aye. Indeed we were--and by forgetting, I'm afraid that you have proved my point on how exactly moot it is!

No one can see anywhay...

when was I out to prove that the point was not moot? besides, this is the magical internet. where pigs ply, and penguins spin like ballarinas! This is the land of moot! sure, some topics are not, but those can be discused elswhere. the internet could disapear and nothing would really be different, other than the lack of websites for every possible product. That, my friend, is because we have survived without internet before![/size]

Penumbra Shade · « **Reply #64 on:** August 11, 2006, 10:59:04 am »

Not unless they can, (gasp) copy and paste!

Dependency grows with more usage--we've survived without a lot of things, as a race, but all but us went back to as in the time of cavemen, we would not fare so well as the first time through...

Writer · « **Reply #65 on:** August 12, 2006, 10:18:11 am »

Quote from: "Penumbra Shade"

Not unless they can, (gasp) copy and paste!

Dependency grows with more usage--we've survived without a lot of things, as a race, but all but us went back to as in the time of cavemen, we would not fare so well as the first time through...

Why would the care enought o go through all that trouble?

You don't belive that we could adapt with our enviorment over time? Humanity is the bsolute ruler of adaptation. The weak, winey ones would die out within the first winter, leaving prime breeding bodies. It's all in the pedagree! We'd grow, and achive wold domination by sheer numbers.[/size]

Penumbra Shade · « **Reply #66 on:** August 12, 2006, 08:21:01 pm »

Normally, people wouldn't--but then, It's not the normal people that I'm worried about...

Maybe--or maybe a new supreme race would emerge to grasp the reigns of Earth, leaving the helpless humans to be slaves in the new world order!

leashy · « **Reply #67 on:** August 12, 2006, 08:28:58 pm »

o.o I love this section of the forum, all the posts become so random, but it is ok ^^

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