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Re: Japan BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2010, 07:59:54 pm »
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Re: Japan BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2010, 08:09:44 pm »
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Re: Japan BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2010, 08:31:58 pm »
I've been talking about this bill for a whole week with different people and everyone has different views about it. So I'm just going to post my thoughts on what I've read about it.

I'm mostly angry at the bill. I hope they pull it. Do note that this is just in Tokyo, and not all of Japan.
Even with that, I can see some good coming out of it though.

I'm mostly mad at how loosely the law is written. They can basically stretch the law to how they want it to work (a lot of the things have etc. after it. Bullshit. Write a law that isn't so vague.) One point that angered me (though I don't read yoai or boylove at all) is that there's a part that says that only sexual norms would be allowed (or something of that sort). So that means (from what I heard. Take what I say with a grain of salt because I've heard so many different things...) that homosexuality isn't going to be allowed in them? I know Japan is a different country with different norms and stuff but that just seems so bigoted. I guess the mayor is noted for hating homosexuals as well.

This law is also just blatantly against "otaku". No sex or violence in anime and manga to protect our children. OH BUT REAL LIFE TV AND BOOKS ARE COOL. WHATEVER. They've been trying to pin youths actions on anime and games for a long time. Bringing up the reason some serial killers murdered little girls was because they had a collection of anime dvd's and stuff. If they really wanted to protect their kids they'd ban violence and sex from everything.

And I wonder how far this law is going to go. Everything has to pass through a committee that approves anime and games. Are all games from Japan now going to be puzzle games and stuff like Cooking Mama? Are fighting games going to be banned now because its "hurr durr fighting"? You use a sword in Zelda to fight monsters, are we never going to get a Zelda game again? Stuff like Digimon and Pokemon getting banned? I dunno...

This *might* make anime a little better though. Friends and I were talking about series that we've seen that would pass the law. Things like Mushishi and Tokyo Magnitude 8.0... I can't remember anything else but it make make for some interesting shows. I'm getting tired of fanservice shows with a bland plot. Violence doesn't bug me as much, but we'll see what happens.

If this stays and doesn't get pulled, it might not kill anime, games, and manga completely. They still can sell stuff outside of Tokyo. Maybe all the animation company's will move out of Tokyo to do what they want. Or maybe everyone will just make shows and games and are directed at the 18+ audience (since they can still have adult corners and stuff). I dunno.

I'm gonna wait and see what happens. I'm hoping if it does stay it goes through some more rewrites so it's not so vauge.

But just for now I hope that the Prime Minister might try to pull it or the animation companies protesting will do something. I'll be keeping a watch on this thread to discuss with people. I haven't had a link to the actual bill (haven't had time to look for it, so I've just been reading new articles people have been sending me. Derp finals) so if anyone has a link to a translated one I'd love to give it a read. Gameinformer, Sankaku Complex, 4chan, and various blogs aren't good sources.
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Re: Japan BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2010, 08:58:35 pm »
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I couldn't aggree more with everything you just said.

Another thing i might add is the fact that, this isn't just a single manga or anime that people we're offended by, This is manga and anime itself. I don't think it's going to go away without a fight. Also, i think this would loose a TON of sales in Tokyo (manga and anime wise and also the fact that the people who make the anime and manga are just going to move somewhere else in Japan), so they should really think about that.

Let's just hope enough fans get pissed off enough so that they lift the ban.

EDIT: Aaand another thing. So people done come in this thread all "WTF NOOO *angrysadface*, you might want to change the thread name to "Tokyo bans anime, manga and games", just so they don't think that it's the end of the world ^^;
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Re: Japan BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2010, 08:33:30 am »
Tokyo really needs to think this through. First of all the wording is terrible, its reminiscent of how Japan was back in the 1920s with the thought police and everything. Second, if this does go through they're essentially killing what makes them most of their revenue.

Lucky though, it looks like this might be overturned. The "Big 10" of anime/manga publishers has decided to boycott the Tokyo Anime Fair, which is one of Japans biggest fairs and one of the main ways they showcase their animation talents. So if they lose their best works, needless to say the fair is gonna be a huge dud. At least the Prime Minister is still thinking clearly, as he's been expressing concerns about the bill.

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I first read this over at the Escapist, they're a really good credited online magazine that talks mostly about gaming and anime.

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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2010, 09:27:55 am »
Don't get me wrong, I think this is a horrible idea - it's an immense overreaction to a problem of very narrow scope, and even if successful would only sweep it under the rug.

But I have to give them credit for honesty. At least they're openly admitting their motive and trying to stop it at the source, instead of picking some poor schumuck at random to threaten with a couple of decades in jail as an example.

(The US did much the same as this seven years ago, but most people don't realize it because they weren't explicit about what they were doing. Among other provisions, the PROTECT Act of 2003 quietly defined any manga with fanservice as being child pornography if... the local prosecutor decides it is. Thankfully, so far they haven't tried to enforce it widely.)
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Re: Japan BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2010, 02:08:34 pm »
I'll agree that putting limits on anime content is rather hypocritical IF they're going to leave live-action television programming the way it is.

I'll also agree that this could harm Japan's economy even further.  The anime/manga/video game industries are one of the largest sources of revenue in that nation.

I won't agree with the comments that Japan has different norms than us; they do, but they're typically more liberal than we are when it comes to many of these issues that are being addressed.

If you ask me, this bill sounds like a lame attempt at sounding like these politicians are doing something about anything, but don't realize (or care) that their plans are suicidal, economically and politically.
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Re: Japan BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2010, 10:02:05 pm »
It's been proven repeatedly that the correlation between violent, illegal, and otherwise "bad" behaviors and media which depicts those behavior is a correlation in which the behavior is usually the independent variable, not the media depictions.  Correlation =/= causation.  People who are comfortable with violence tend to watch violent media because they like violence.  The media isn't making them more violent.  In fact, it can usually be argued, especially with video games, that violent media allows people who have violent tendencies to exert those aggressions in a manner that is not harmful to others.

And in the rare cases where people do develop those "bad" behaviors, it's from real people and realistic fictional characters like those in books and live-action movies.  People develop behaviors from role models.  Role models are individuals with whom observers identify.  People identify less with cartoons than they do with real people or realistic looking animation.  Acts of violence and sexually illicit behaviors in anime are less likely to spur development of those behaviors than the "real life" depictions which they are not banning.  This is one more example of stupid lawmakers calling for unneeded censorship which is not supported by any rational facts.
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Re: Japan BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2010, 05:39:37 pm »
Let's get some more context on the man behind the bill shall we?
Shintaro Ishihara is the current mayor of Tokyo at age 78. In the past he proposed registration of people of Korean decent living in Tokyo. He has repeatedly said the Rape of Nanking is propaganda invented by the Chinese. Claimed that women who are living past the menopause and can no longer give birth are a burden on society and are committing a sin. Has claimed that homosexuality is abnormal. On immigrants from African living in Roppongi, "Roppongi is now virtually a foreign neighborhood. Africans — I don't mean African-Americans — who don't speak English are there doing who knows what. This is leading to new forms of crime such as car theft. We should be letting in people who are intelligent."

So we have established that he is a racist, xenophobic, homophobic, ultra-nationalist who is most likely out of touch from the current generation. This is the type of people who created and voted on and passed the bill.

In another note the bill does not take effect until July.

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Re: Japan BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2010, 05:52:22 pm »
The second you said "at age 78" was the second i was convinced that this law isn't going to happen.

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2010, 07:44:45 pm »
The second you said "at age 78" was the second i was convinced that this law isn't going to happen.
It's already been passed.

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Re: Japan BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2010, 11:43:58 pm »
@ManofthePublic - Just to clarify, the mayor isn't homophobic.  Just because someone is opposed to homosexuality it doesn't mean that they are afraid of it.  Anti-homosexual is a correct term.  As someone who opposes the gay life style but has several gay friends, I'd like to think that I'm not a homophobe, and nor is anyone else who simply doesn't support it.

In the long run, I think that the mayor is simply oblivious and needs an education on reality.

...wait, what do you mean it's "already been passed?"
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Re: Japan BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2010, 12:20:02 am »
@Washougal-

Article 1
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In his commentary on a gay-theme novel that won the prestigious Akutagawa Prize in January, Ishihara, one of the eight judges for the prize, said homosexuality is abnormal
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the story's main characters, as homosexuals, "are unavoidably in an abnormal world." If the story were placed in "the sane heterosexual world, it would not be dramatic at all,"

Article 2 (Japanese Article, google translated)

Article 3. Explains it in a more English sense but is extremely bias.
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homosexuals "have the feeling that somewhere still missing. Like it because of genetics.'m In the minority, I feel sorry,"
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"I saw a gay parade, I thought it look really sorry. A pair of men, but a pair of women still missing somewhere you feel,

Bad translations for the second but those are homophobic statements dude.
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Re: Japan BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2010, 12:44:27 am »

...wait, what do you mean it's "already been passed?"
As in they voted for it and passed it last Tuesday*.
*Exact day of week is off but statement still stands.

But the industry backlash has been immediate. As mentioned earlier the 10 Biggest producers are boycotting the next big industry event in Tokyo.
Just to clarify this law only affects Tokyo, but since everything is shipped through Tokyo and Tokyo is the home of the major companies this will effect the entire industry for the entire nation. The only things this ban does not affect are Live Action, books, and anything that is already sold as 18+.
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Re: Japan BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2010, 11:04:55 am »
18+ anime and manga's gonna get soooooo much better now ;P
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Re: Japan BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2010, 11:43:47 pm »
Bad translations for the second but those are homophobic statements dude.

None of those indicated that he was afraid of them, therefore, not phobic.
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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2010, 02:14:18 am »
None of those indicated that he was afraid of them, therefore, not phobic.

Quoting a friend who had a look at this because he can put it into much better words then I ever could, being someone who has (probably) experienced discriminance like this first hand.
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By calling gay sex an abnormality shows an underlying fear or misunderstanding of homosexual relationships and that is homophobia. By outcasting an entire safe and consensual community based on their sexual preferences you are making a discriminating and phobic statement that is morally corrupt.

I was pretty offended by what you said, as were the handful of both straight and gay people that I showed this thread to. And I only did that to make sure that I wasn't overreacting at what you said.

Not that I'm going to change your mind about it so I'll leave the subject at that and I ask that you please do the same. Because I'm not going to hold my tongue about this kind of stuff.
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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2010, 09:52:18 am »
Well, those are your friends, and I could care less what their opinions are.  I have several friends who are gay and they know that I don't agree with their lifestyle.  Finding a disagreement with a lifestyle doesn't mean that someone is afraid of them; it means that they disagree with them.  It's that simple.

Some of the best animes of all time have joked/commented about homosexuality or crossdressing being sick or abnormal, some of which still had characters involved with one or the other.  Their viewpoints, plain and simple.

Do you disagree with me?  Are you a heterophobe?  Are your friends heterophobic?

Can we drop this now and focus on what actually matters now?

What will happen to anime now?
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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2010, 11:58:14 am »
Well it is uncertain as to what exactly will happen to the industry right now as there is still several months to repeal the bill which does not take affect until July.

But on the subject of Homophobia: It does not only apply to fear. Wikipedia defines Homophobia as, "Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards lesbian, gay, bisexual, queer, and in some cases transgender and intersex people. Definitions refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear. Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination and violence on the basis of a perceived non-heterosexual orientation. In a 1998 address, author, activist, and civil rights leader Coretta Scott King stated that "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood."

Among more discussed forms are institutionalized homophobia (e.g. religious and state-sponsored), lesbophobia – the intersection of homophobia and sexism directed against lesbians, and internalized homophobia – a form of homophobia among people who experience same-sex attraction regardless of whether or not they identify as LGBT.

Two words originate from homophobia: homophobic (adj.) and homophobe (n.), the latter word being a label for a person who displays homophobia or is thought to do so."

Wordnet (Run by Princeton University) Defines it as: Prejudice against (fear or dislike of) homosexuality or homosexual people.


So in brief the meaning of the word has expanded from simply fear to a much wider range of negative feelings and actions against homosexuality and homosexual people.

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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2010, 01:37:13 pm »
Are you a heterophobe?  Are your friends heterophobic?

Totally man, I am absolutely disgusted and afraid of hetrosexuals.

Throwing out stupid comments like that just proves to me that your what me and ManofthePublic described.
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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2010, 03:16:41 pm »
Speaking as moderator, let's keep this on-topic, and end the discussion about homosexual lifestyles.

Washougal_Otaku, you brought up an off-topic subject when you said:

As someone who opposes the gay life style but has several gay friends, I'd like to think that I'm not a homophobe, and nor is anyone else who simply doesn't support it.

It wasn't necessary to bring up this new subject in order to make your initial point about the word "homophobic".

Also, please limit personal attacks. Both of the following comments from different posters are inappropriate due to being personal, rather than about the issue (the first more strongly):

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Throwing out stupid comments like that just proves to me that your what me and ManofthePublic described.

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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2010, 04:21:14 pm »
Like I said...

What will happen to anime now?

Akihabara would dissolve into nothing if anime is banned altogether. :'( ;D

But seriously, I doubt that these industries will go out quietly.  There's going to be quite a bit of an effort to fight this; I'm waiting on who'll join in on the fight, and how soon will they react.
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« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2010, 04:45:47 pm »
Well if you've actually read the bill you'd know that it calls for a ban on any subject matter that would "impair the healthy growth of youths" including any depictions of any illegal acts, sexual content, violent content, and any other content they would deem "harmful"

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Re: Japan BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2010, 05:10:49 pm »
The second you said "at age 78" was the second i was convinced that this law isn't going to happen.
It's already been passed.

Er...What i ment was, was that people are obviously going to get angry due to the fact that this man isn't even thinking about what is and what is not acceptable now. It's hard to win in a fight when your a 78-year-old man againsed a society with things that wouldn't even be close to acceptable from when you were younger.

Also something i might want to point out is the fact that, shouldn't it be the parents job of what is and what's not good for their children? If you don't want your kids reading a manga or watching an anime with dirty jokes or fanservice, then don't. It's common parenting.

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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2010, 05:24:52 pm »
The second you said "at age 78" was the second i was convinced that this law isn't going to happen.
It's already been passed.

Er...What i ment was, was that people are obviously going to get angry due to the fact that this man isn't even thinking about what is and what is not acceptable now. It's hard to win in a fight when your a 78-year-old man againsed a society with things that wouldn't even be close to acceptable from when you were younger.

Also something i might want to point out is the fact that, shouldn't it be the parents job of what is and what's not good for their children? If you don't want your kids reading a manga or watching an anime with dirty jokes or fanservice, then don't. It's common parenting.

I understand what you're saying but at the same it is easy to win a fight when you're a 78 year old man with the full support of all 3 political parties in power.

And I agree that it is the job of the parent to regulate what their kids see, unfortunately in Japanese society the parents are generally more withdrawn from their kids.

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Re: Japan BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2010, 06:14:15 pm »
The second you said "at age 78" was the second i was convinced that this law isn't going to happen.
It's already been passed.

Er...What i ment was, was that people are obviously going to get angry due to the fact that this man isn't even thinking about what is and what is not acceptable now. It's hard to win in a fight when your a 78-year-old man againsed a society with things that wouldn't even be close to acceptable from when you were younger.

Also something i might want to point out is the fact that, shouldn't it be the parents job of what is and what's not good for their children? If you don't want your kids reading a manga or watching an anime with dirty jokes or fanservice, then don't. It's common parenting.

I understand what you're saying but at the same it is easy to win a fight when you're a 78 year old man with the full support of all 3 political parties in power.

And I agree that it is the job of the parent to regulate what their kids see, unfortunately in Japanese society the parents are generally more withdrawn from their kids.


That's true, but still, There's going to be a lot of people extremely mad about this.

Also, i'm saying that if parents we're REALLY worried about their kids, they'd do something about it themselves. I just don't think banning anime and manga and ruining it for most of the older kids is the right answer.

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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2010, 07:10:52 pm »
I'm having a hard time discerning the agent of action in this bill.

WHEREIN, bill 156 posses no actual limitations on commercial product sellers AND,

WHEREIN, bill 156 exhibits no stipulated brightline for penalty or retribution in event of infraction AND,

WHEREIN, bill 156 provides no explicit "age of consent" for purchase of materials which this bill stipulates AND,

WHEREIN, bill 156 does not require commercial product sellers, vendors and creators to cease and desist production/distribution or sale AND,

WHEREIN, no clear or evident precident of action to provide an agent of control has been clarified,

THEREFORE, this bill is not only non-enforceable, it fails to provide for the safeguards it proclaims.

IN THIS CASE it is the opinion of the people that from this bill there will be no action, or action which is predominately reliant on the vendor and creator, without enforcement on either body, and will come to a resolution of NO CONFIDENCE and dissolution after attempts to provide clarification and regulation.


Now can someone translate that into Japanese and send it of to the LDP?

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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2010, 09:41:39 pm »
Doesn't Ellen know Japanese?  Maybe we can get her to do it, assuming that I'm correct... ;D

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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2010, 09:56:49 pm »
If you had read the bill you would have known how it would have affected the future of the industry.

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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2010, 06:42:10 pm »
I feel so powerless~ I wanna help fight this D< So stupid!!!


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« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2010, 10:12:51 pm »
^ I hear ya, kimiski... I hear ya.  I'm sure that Japan will see how big of an impact this bill will have, nationally and internationally, and changes will be made.
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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2010, 08:29:03 am »
I feel so powerless~ I wanna help fight this D< So stupid!!!
There is one realistic way their minds will be swayed: Economically. If enough people who have been spending money on anime stop buying it after this bill goes into effect, the politicians are bound to notice the revenue drop.

Hopefully, this bill will die before it ever goes into effect. But if it does, that will be the best way to fight it.
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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2010, 11:46:06 am »
Do you mean via boycott, or a simple lack of spending due to a lack of available merchandise?
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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2010, 12:55:14 pm »
Ally: Great points! You could be a laywer! (Here are a few pointers in case you want to formalize further: Where you have "WHEREIN", I usually have only seen "WHEREAS". "Bill" would be capitalized in that context. The word before each "AND" would be followed by a semi-colon. And replace "or" with "nor" in the last paragraph.)
Aaron: If I'm the Ellen to whom you're referring, you may have misunderstood when I spoke of having translated a film's script into subtitles. The language into which I translated the film was Spanish. I do not speak Japanese.
Boogiepop: Wow, I had no idea Tokyo's mayor was so prejudiced. How horrible that he was elected on that platform (or despite it).

It will, indeed, be important to see what emerges from this.
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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2010, 01:26:37 pm »
Yeah, it was you that I was speaking of, but not because of the script.  I was pretty sure that I've heard you say that you knew some Japanese.

Maybe at the coming of the new year, you can take it to a Japanese instructor at a high school or college, Ally, especially if you know one.  If not, I can take it to one of the instructors at Clark; one of them was our club's adviser back in '07.
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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2010, 03:23:46 pm »
Yeah, it was you that I was speaking of, but not because of the script.  I was pretty sure that I've heard you say that you knew some Japanese.

Maybe at the coming of the new year, you can take it to a Japanese instructor at a high school or college, Ally, especially if you know one.  If not, I can take it to one of the instructors at Clark; one of them was our club's adviser back in '07.

Nope. You may have heard me when I talked about Hello Kitty; since my school had me skip 2nd grade math & I finished 3rd grade math in 1 trimester, they had me tutor the Japanese exchange students in math. But those 8-year-olds only taught me how to write my name in Kanji and their favorite insult (baka butah, which they said meant stupid pig). Anyway, those kids gave me Hello Kitty stuff for tutoring them, and so I've sometimes told that story when asked how I first got into Japanese animation.

Perhaps some of the Guest Liasons speak Japanese. I think Kate & Dawn can read some Japanese, though that's not the same as being able to engage its calligraphy.
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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2010, 03:47:29 pm »
That might be where...

We could ask them some time, perhaps if they come to MEWcon.
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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2011, 03:32:00 pm »
There is one realistic way their minds will be swayed: Economically. If enough people who have been spending money on anime stop buying it after this bill goes into effect, the politicians are bound to notice the revenue drop.

Hopefully, this bill will die before it ever goes into effect. But if it does, that will be the best way to fight it.
From what I understand, the politicians would actually like it if you boycott those anime companies that make all those anime shows that 'hurt' their children.

I think a much better effect if the anime industry itself were to boycott Tokyo which they're already doing.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-12-10/10-manga-publishers-to-boycott-tokyo-anime-fair

It should also be noted this law does not in any way affect live action shows on TV.
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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2011, 09:53:43 pm »
gosh think of what we all spend on Anime! really what we spend on our Otaku life style!
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Re: Tokyo BANS ANIME, MANGA, and GAMES D:
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2011, 01:19:20 pm »
gosh think of what we all spend on Anime! really what we spend on our Otaku life style!


Yeah, and just the thought of how much money Tokyo is going to lose with this ban is almost unbelievable.