Drugs at Con

[pepito]

While I agree whole heartedly with needing to address this issue... I am unsure that this is the right place to do it. From the standpoint of a parent of a potential con goer... or even just a potential con goer, this thread would be a huge deterent for me to support K-Con.

Perhaps the staff forum may be a better place for this topic? Or via operations@kumoricon.org

[Koopa]

I do like the idea of an extra room! But it could create a liability. Maybe if the room was called nap room? I have no clue what would make us not liable.  What if it was a nap time room for little kids and after 7 or so that room was set aside as an emergency room? Not necessarily LABELED as "The Room to Take People Who Are Having Bad Trips", but just dubbed the "Nap Time Room" and it's understood after a certain time that said room could be used for helping people come down. That way there wouldn't be a ton of liability for the staff and we could have that safety room.

[Rathany]

I do like the idea of an extra room! But it could create a liability. Maybe if the room was called nap room? I have no clue what would make us not liable.  What if it was a nap time room for little kids and after 7 or so that room was set aside as an emergency room? Not necessarily LABELED as "The Room to Take People Who Are Having Bad Trips", but just dubbed the "Nap Time Room" and it's understood after a certain time that said room could be used for helping people come down. That way there wouldn't be a ton of liability for the staff and we could have that safety room.

Problem is, if word got out that we had such a thing it might be seen as us being kind of permissive and might make people feel that they can take risks with drugs, because we will take care of them. 

[Koopa]

I'm sorry but as for the safety of those who did the drugs, they willingly did so, and thus endangered their own safety.

I don't like seeing them get hucked out, and possibly going to play in traffic or what not, but I like seeing people who were doing the right thing being harassed by people who used illegal drugs even less.

This is a family con, this is a legal con.  People pay to come here and have a good time, and if they are doing drugs they are infringing upon other con goers good time which is not right, more over they have broken the law by having possessed the drugs to do them.  There can be no tolerance, maybe if they get their act together they can come back next year when they are not an issue to other people.

As for a trip room, not cool at all.  Besides the fact that we would be run out of town, no one would host us with that.  Also its dangerous.  No matter how much drug experience somebody has, there is always the unknown of how a specific individual will react... you cannot control their trips and if something goes wrong it is then on the con.

Your right, you can not control there trips. The thing is, we provide safety to ALL con-goers. Trying to find them while possessing the drug is the hard part. They can be high and its NOT ILLEGAL! Just having the drugs on you is. And of course having a "trip-room" is not a good idea. Kicking them out and having them play in traffic is not a good idea either. Even if the person is at a pannel or something and there high. Its still on the con. Do you have any ideas?

[Animeman73]

I'm sorry but again I must reiterate that I look on drug use with contempt. These people are in my opinion trying to run away from their problems and have done it so much they've become a menace to others and themselves. I say you don't run away from your problems through drugs, you stand up and face those problems head on. And if you need help ask for it. Drugs are not only bad for the body but the mind and spirit. And I believe K-con having a zero tolerance policy towards illegal drugs is a good thing.

[Koopa]

I do like the idea of an extra room! But it could create a liability. Maybe if the room was called nap room? I have no clue what would make us not liable.  What if it was a nap time room for little kids and after 7 or so that room was set aside as an emergency room? Not necessarily LABELED as "The Room to Take People Who Are Having Bad Trips", but just dubbed the "Nap Time Room" and it's understood after a certain time that said room could be used for helping people come down. That way there wouldn't be a ton of liability for the staff and we could have that safety room.

Problem is, if word got out that we had such a thing it might be seen as us being kind of permissive and might make people feel that they can take risks with drugs, because we will take care of them. 

That's true. Its not our job to take care of them but it is our job to make sure every one is safe. This is a very hard subject to address. Thank you for your input by the way.

[Koopa]

I'm sorry but again I must reiterate that I look on drug use with contempt. These people are in my opinion trying to run away from their problems and have done it so much they've become a menace to others and themselves. I say you don't run away from your problems through drugs, you stand up and face those problems head on. And if you need help ask for it. Drugs are not only bad for the body but the mind and spirit. And I believe K-con having a zero tolerance policy towards illegal drugs is a good thing.

Look, this is not for preaching. That may be your opinion but there are cultures out there that do condone drugs. This forum is for help on dealing with the problem not telling people that you don't like drugs 

[Meganekko]

Sadly there really isn't anything we can do about their safety after they have endangered it by taking the illegal substances.

The con rules should read that should someone be caught high, they are out.  No exceptions for certain drugs and what not.  If you are high, you cease to be a con goer and need to get out.

Since they don't read like that or this wouldn't be an issue I'm going to bring it up as a possible change in by-laws/code of conduct.

I feel sad that we have to have this conversation, I wish this wasn't an issue at our con.  I hate to see drugged up kids kicked out where they could pose a threat to others or themselves.

The only other option is that we call their emergency contact numbers and report them as being in danger since they have taken drugs during our con and need to be picked up... either way, they need to get out.

[Animeman73]

Sorry didn't mean to come off sounding too preachy, my bad. But actually I think the idea of off duty cops or better still plain clothing cops working the convention might not be such a bad idea. I've watched enough episodes of COPS to know they deal with that kind of (Cough, cough ahem) nonsense all the time. It's just a thought. By the way MegaNekko I'm in complete agreement with you.

[Himura Kenshin]

Personally I don't think isolation is a good idea if that were to be the only thing done. There needs to be some form of punishment for doing drugs in the first place. If the isolation thing is used then emergency contacts should be notified right away when the person is isolated, and then a decision should be made on what to do. What should happen is they should be sent home, but they should NOT be kicked out on the street, as someone who is intoxicated shouldn't be driving anyway or really should not be left alone, as something might happen to them, or someone else. Have them picked up and taken home, or call an ambulance and let their family pick them up from the hospital - or the cops, whichever comes first. But really there should be no tolerance for this. These people that do things like this need help, yes, but should not be allowed to stay and endanger other con goers or themselves.
Anyway that's really all I have to say on it, other than I find it appalling that there even was drugs at kumoricon in the first place...(had my parents known this I would not have been allowed to go at all due to their overprotectiveness of me).

[Koopa]

But that's the thing. To much caffeine IS speed. I know people that have had a od off of it. That is a drug and would you kick somebody out if you saw that? What about alcohol? Look, you really can't kick them out when there high because IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO BE HIGH! That's the hard thing about it. What about morning glory seeds? Those are legal. But its a mild form of acid.

[reppy]

Unfortunately, drugs are everywhere.  As much as we like to think of Kumoricon as our safe little bubble place where we can be silly and dress up, it doesn't spare us from some of the realities of the world we might not like to think about.

[Koopa]

Most of the people that were high though wern't kids though. Drugs are every where. Even at k-con.

[Neko_Chan]

Uumm to all those talking about the alcohol use...
Have you EVER been in the VIP room of Kumoricon?
Honestly, largest collection of booze I've ever seen outside of a bar.

I've had to deal with staff members in the past not being there when I needed them because they were hungover!

To a lot of people, Kumorcon is "get-drunk-and-stand-in-a-line-con".

You will never stop people from doing drugs or drinking at Kumoricon, or anywhere. You betcha some people get out of hand, and they have been escorted out, I've seen it done every year.

BAWWWW at all the people who say drugs are bad. Who the hell cares. Don't like drugs? DONT DO THEM.
I can tell you eating ramen, pocky and ramune for four days straight isn't good for you or being 400 pounds isn't good for you either.

[AllyKat]

See, this is exactly what freaks me out about these kinds of things....

I am already a very paranoid, spastic, excited and a bit cooky eclectic person.
I act like a crazy drunk/high person most of the time when I'm just excited
or having fun... Why would I wanna take drugs?

My friend freaked me out by telling me he thought he saw someone slipping
stuff into the water (I am imagining it wasn't true cause he kept drinking it
and he never got wierd) but I couldn't drink any of the water anymore
cause I was too paranoid that I would die of GHB or something...

Ally: A rave is just bright lights and drugs right?"

Friend: No, there's also sweat and sex!"

*sigh* I enjoyed all the music at the dance though! they played excellent songs! YAY!

~Allykat

[Meganekko]

Look, you really can't kick them out when there high because IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO BE HIGH!

Sure you can, it doesn't have to be illegal, just against con rules.

i.e.; It's not illegal to be nude in public in Portland (Naked Bike Ride anybody?), but you can't be nude at con.

[CMD Productions]

"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music."

-- Marcus Brigstocke, British Comedian

[Mitsukai Mizu Amaya]

Hmm... well, if there is any help needed in escorting out/dealing with those under the effects of drugs, I could lend a hand. I won't be staff or yoji or anything next year, but I do have quite the amount of knowledge of different drugs and what they can do to you and your system, as well as how to help calm people down on Acid and such. And no, I have never take a drug in my life except asprin, which doesn't work on me anyway so I don't take it anymore for headaches, but I had to deal with my dad and the rest of his side of the family; I've learned a few tips and tricks in dealing with him when he got into those kinds of states before he died. I'll be eighteen by next con anyway, so I can help out after hours too.

One thing... no matter where you are, ESPECIALLY at big conventions like this one(no matter how we try to deny it) be careful. This goes double for the dances and after-hours time. Never leave your drink alone and if you have to leave for a minute, take it with you or dump it. That's general common sense ^^

Also, be very, very careful if you find anyone at con under the effects of a bad Acid trip or LSD or another like substance; it happens rarely, but sometimes it can be easy to trigger a psychotic break in a person when using a drug that alters your brain in the way those do.

Another thing about the dances... if you're weirded out, get the hell out. Pupils are a tell-tale sign of drug use, as well as other things like how the person smells and such.

I agree with Himura's suggestion of punishment. If someone is found under the effects of drugs and just kept in isolation until the effects have passed, what deterrant is there to them doing it again; with possibly worse consequences? Also, I like the idea of having some kind of detox room, but it might be better to have two; one for those on the hard drugs and another for those who are just drunk or high; hell, maybe just escort theh igh and drunk ones back to their rooms. Drugs make people do things they wouldn't normally, which can lead to some very bad consequences for some.

And then there's the creepers who will take advantage of you. Again to the 'never leave your drink alone' suggestion. Even around friend's; they can't be expected to watch your drink 24/7.

Yup; there's my rant. ^^

[EveofAbyss]

The constant argument I am seeing here is: It's not illegal to be high. So what? It doesn't have to be illegal to be dangerous, hazardous, or reprehensible. Like someone else said, it isn't illegal to be naked either, but if someone showed up to the con with no clothes on, they'd be out with no argument whatsoever.

It's not about kicking them out because it's illegal. It's kicking them out because they chose to do something in violation of very obvious policies.

If a drug's use is illegal in America, don't perceive Kumoricon as some foreign embassy. It is within all the rules of the country it exists in, so don't pretend like people who do illegal drugs should be given some sort of farcical leniency, because that just doesn't exist in the con.

[doryishness]

Maybe I was too ignorant to think K-Con was a happy family-friendly place where there was rainbows, plushies and no drugs. So reading this thread appalled me.

I know many of you are going to disagree with me, but I don't think we should allow drugs. Whatsoever. If people are tripping or high, get them out of the con. I know some think it's our duty or k-con's duty to keep them "safe" but honestly, unless K-con is the dumbshit passing them out, I don't see where it's k-con's responsiblity to keep them safe from themselves in specific rooms.

These idiots are choosing to **** themselves up. Their adults (most of them) and should be treated as such, instead of little whacked out children. Kick them out of the dance hall and let them come off their high outside the con area.

Personally, I don't think it's good publicity for the con to have it known that it's tolerated that drugs are used. If I was a parent, I wouldn't let my kid go to the con, even if they can't go to the rave either way.

I know I'm probably going to get bashed for this opinion but so be it. My final point is that drugs are bad, illegal, and shouldn't be allowed at K-con.

[Mitsukai Mizu Amaya]

Eve, Doryish, I love you both. ^^

I've seen both sides of the arguement because one side of the family(my mom's and, ironically, my father after he got clean and before he was diagnosed with lung cancer) despises drugs and knows the harm they can cause yet hails medicine when used in the dosage and for the reasons it was created, and the other is... admittedly, riddled with pill-poppers who want a drug for every little thing and then tend to abuse it.

This may seem extreme, but if you allow drugs at a convention in any way, shape, or form, what's to stop people from dealing at them too? KumoriCon is a family-friendly convention, but it would only take one lawsuit from a parent who claims their kid got drugs from a congoer to severely impact the furture of the convention itself.

[oslapedo]

KCon should adopt a zero tolerance policy for drugs. Get caught with 'em or being high and you get your badge revoked, or something.

[Rathany]

Maybe I was too ignorant to think K-Con was a happy family-friendly place where there was rainbows, plushies and no drugs. So reading this thread appalled me.

I know many of you are going to disagree with me, but I don't think we should allow drugs. Whatsoever. If people are tripping or high, get them out of the con. I know some think it's our duty or k-con's duty to keep them "safe" but honestly, unless K-con is the dumbshit passing them out, I don't see where it's k-con's responsiblity to keep them safe from themselves in specific rooms.

These idiots are choosing to **** themselves up. Their adults (most of them) and should be treated as such, instead of little whacked out children. Kick them out of the dance hall and let them come off their high outside the con area.

Personally, I don't think it's good publicity for the con to have it known that it's tolerated that drugs are used. If I was a parent, I wouldn't let my kid go to the con, even if they can't go to the rave either way.

I know I'm probably going to get bashed for this opinion but so be it. My final point is that drugs are bad, illegal, and shouldn't be allowed at K-con.

Drugs are not allowed at Kcon.  What is being discussed is what to do if people bring some in illegally.  We can't ... OK, we don't want to strip search everyone at the door.  That would ...be kinda scary.  So things are going to happen.  What we are discussing is what to do if someone does drugs.  Pulling thier badge is obvious.  Most types of drug use will lead to blacklisting.  Still, when someone is altered, the first thing we need to worry about is safety for everyone.  

[Meganekko]

Seems pretty simple, give them the boot.  Better yet, hand them over to the Hilton guards.

We cannot endanger a volunteer staff.  We cannot endanger rule abiding K-con goers.
So leave them to somebody trained, and paid to deal with them.

The plain clothes cop is rather a moot point since, they cannot detain high con-goers that have no drugs or paraphenallia on them so that they can come down from the high, since as Koopa rightly stated, "It's not illegal to be high." in Portland.  Their hands would be tied, however they could be there to catch kids with drugs/paraphernalia in progress of getting high.


{edit, I got a little too fired up earlier, apologies}

[Animeman73]

Mitsukai, I have to say I'm impressed with your experiences and the way you argue this. You give me the impression of someone who's not only experienced in dealing with family memebers you also give the impression of being or having the potential for being a medical professional (Nurse, doctor, etc.)

As I pointed out I think plain clothed cops or even off duty police officers would be a good idea. At the grocery store where I work from time to time they have police officers who look like teenagers do sting operations for those stores thought to be selling alcohol to minors perhaps the police could do something more subtle for the next Kumoricon while keeping a low profile you see where I'm coming from.

[Koopa]

Guys....really....the point of this post was to see if anyone saw anything or experienced anything or HEARD anything so that next year WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO PREVENT ANYTHING BAD FROM HAPPENING TO ANYONE.
 
I had to rescue a few people from having bad trips. It's going to happen regardless of what anyone else says or feels. There needs to be a way to keep the drug use to a minimum and a way to keep those who still choose to do drugs at con completely safe. I don't care if they're putting themselves in harms way by doing drugs in the first place, they still need to be able to be somewhere safe if anything goes wrong.

Please, stop with the anger and the preaching and just LISTEN. People are going to do what they're going to do. It's expected that EVERYONE is safe at K-con. Even if we have to kick people out AFTER they come down, they STILL NEED TO BE IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

[Mitsukai Mizu Amaya]

Thanks for clearing that up, Rath. ^^ Well, in regards on what to do... with druggies, throwing them out and blacklisting is a must. I think calling the police and a room search, if they have a room, is a must as well. What I meant by a detox room wasn't holding them against their will or allowing it at all; if we release them to the streets, they could bother others as well, and maybe even congoers hanging out around the con area. They will be a danger to themselves and other people. I've seen it happen. Hell, in my opinion, best thing to do is hand them over to the cops or hotel security.

There should also be somewhere for drunks to go to as well, like maybe have a yoji or someone to help escort them to their room.

Thanks you, animeman; and yeah, I've experienced quite a bit over the years (someone on my dad's side of the family had the gall to steal his prescription painkillers before hospice even got his body out of our house) and you sort of hit the nail on the head with that one; I plan to get a doctorate in forensic psychology and possibly minor in nursing, I haven't decided yet. ^^ I agree with the plain clothes cops idea as well, if you see a cop you would be far more liekly to hide the drugs or be sneaky about using them then if you saw someone dressed normally. (I justh ad a picture of a cop dressed as Leon from RE)

[EveofAbyss]

I'd really say the only thing to do other than booting people is holding them somewhere while calling their emergency contact to pick them up. I could see a room being reserved for this: not a crash room, or a come down off your high room, but a room where perhaps several staff members or even a security member would wait with the person until they are able to leave (with their contact or sober enough to do so alone).

[Meganekko]

I agree with Eve but even still, who is gonna staff that?

[Rathany]

Personally, I don't think it's good publicity for the con to have it known that it's tolerated that drugs are used.

I think some of the confusion over this comes from not knowing who is speaking just what they think, and who represents Kumoricon staff and/or upper management.  Those of us who are staff have it written above our icons.  Please note things like this before thinking people are speaking on behalf of Kumoricon.

Drugs are not allowed.  

(I hate pulling 'I am a Director', but yeah ...  I am a Director.  Known drug use at con leads to blacklisting.  Blacklisting means you cannot attend Kumoricon.  No matter what random people may say, illegal drug use is not allowed in any way, shape or form.)

[EveofAbyss]

Thank you, Rathany. It's good to have that aspect cleared up once and for all. I think a lot of the discussion hinged on that.

[Mitsukai Mizu Amaya]

I agree, again thanks Rathany. I agree with Eve once more; at least keep them somewhere until an emergency contact or police/whoever arrives for them. As for who could staff it... I won't be staff, but I would be glad to help out a bit durign the con if it is needed for something like this.

[EveofAbyss]

Yes, I would be glad to help out in this way if the need arises.

[Darknight2433]

I know that someone was selling/looking for drugs to the left of the front door to the convention, by all the smoking people~

[Mitsukai Mizu Amaya]

... seriously? Wow... and that's where quite a few of us hung out...

[Darknight2433]

Yep. In front of where that little group was chilling on the chair thingy.

[Rathany]

I know that someone was selling/looking for drugs to the left of the front door to the convention, by all the smoking people~

Next time you see that, could you inform Kcon or hotel staff?  Whoever you see first?  We do not want things like this happening.  

[doryishness]

Ahh, I apologize if I seemed a little....whatever, I didn't mean to come off that way. It's just that I've been around people who get high all the time and trip out and do freaky things (most of the time dangerous to themselves or other people) and it's something I'm kinda uptight about.

I think we're all on the same page here - drugs are bad and not allowed at k-con.

to sorta explain my point again, and EveofAbyss said more along the lines of what I was thinking. Don't give them a room to babysit them while their strung out, but at least have a room away from people to hold them while their getting their badge revoked and waiting for somebody to pick them up.


It sorta seemed in the earlier posts that I read that some people were for allowing drugs at k-con and that's what got my hackles up. But if we're all against that, then I agree with everyone's ideas. Having a plainsclothes cop to monitor the situation and take out the people that are whacked out. Having a room to hold them while their getting picked up. Strip searches are a little extreme, but a quick search of pockets to see if you're holding any bad drugs.

And thank you Rathany, like EveofAbyss said, it help clears it up about who's representing kumoricon. Before knowing who was who, I was getting the feeling that drugs were being tolerated by staff, but now I get that they aren't. Also, I didn't look up the yoji word and I was trying to figure out what that meant.


Again, I apologize if I came off in anyway other then pleasntly stating my opinon.

[Darknight2433]

I know that someone was selling/looking for drugs to the left of the front door to the convention, by all the smoking people~

Next time you see that, could you inform Kcon or hotel staff?  Whoever you see first?  We do not want things like this happening.  

Okie dokie, I guess. But the rule I found to be safest is not messing with in the affairs of drugs, for the better good or not~

[Mitsukai Mizu Amaya]

I didn't mean strip searching; I meant searching their room at the hotel, if they have one. Preferably by the police.

[Rathany]

Ahh, I apologize if I seemed a little....whatever, I didn't mean to come off that way. It's just that I've been around people who get high all the time and trip out and do freaky things (most of the time dangerous to themselves or other people) and it's something I'm kinda uptight about.

I think we're all on the same page here - drugs are bad and not allowed at k-con.

to sorta explain my point again, and EveofAbyss said more along the lines of what I was thinking. Don't give them a room to babysit them while their strung out, but at least have a room away from people to hold them while their getting their badge revoked and waiting for somebody to pick them up.


It sorta seemed in the earlier posts that I read that some people were for allowing drugs at k-con and that's what got my hackles up. But if we're all against that, then I agree with everyone's ideas. Having a plainsclothes cop to monitor the situation and take out the people that are whacked out. Having a room to hold them while their getting picked up. Strip searches are a little extreme, but a quick search of pockets to see if you're holding any bad drugs.

And thank you Rathany, like EveofAbyss said, it help clears it up about who's representing kumoricon. Before knowing who was who, I was getting the feeling that drugs were being tolerated by staff, but now I get that they aren't. Also, I didn't look up the yoji word and I was trying to figure out what that meant.


Again, I apologize if I came off in anyway other then pleasntly stating my opinon.

No problem   I am just glad that I could clear things up.  If some future Board of Kcon was being all permissive I'd be .... rather upset.  So, I understand very much why you'd be upset if you thought we were being permissive in any way. 

[Meganekko]

Yes, thank you Rathany!

The beginning of this seemed to make it out as though drugs were somewhat permissible...  drawing lines what was hard drugs, what was not, when to call cops, Detox Room....

As it stands, the problem seems to be that that as Kumoricon is concerned for the safety of all its con goers, what to do with kids who are found high so that they do not pose a threat to themselves and other con goers.

I believe it was you who said we cannot have a quiet room for the mentally disabled, due to liability should something occur that causes a person to harm Kumoricon Staff, Other Con-Goers, and the person them selves. It seems that the same would apply to individuals caught under the influence of drugs.

So this would lead me to believe that we need either a few plain clothes cops/security guards to escort them to somewhere safe outside of the conspace, or that they are simply to be turned out, and should they try to re-enter the cops should then be called to remove them.  I'm sure Altonimbus (Kumoricon's parent company) is not going to be okay with individuals caught under the influence of drugs being held by Kumoricon staff, especially Yojimbo (volunteers) while an emergency contact is reached.

[Rathany]

Yes, thank you Rathany!

The beginning of this seemed to make it out as though drugs were somewhat permissible...  drawing lines what was hard drugs, what was not, when to call cops, Detox Room....

Part of it is that those of us who are directors were all helping with tear-down all Tuesday, and we are all very tired.  Lots of other staffers helped, too.  Yeah, sorry, we've been a bit AFK

[Meganekko]

Part of it is that those of us who are directors were all helping with tear-down all Tuesday, and we are all very tired.  Lots of other staffers helped, too.  Yeah, sorry, we've been a bit AFK

Completely understandable... its an interesting and touchy subject so we all got a little too fired up while going on too little info.

[Mitsukai Mizu Amaya]

If I didn't have school Wednesday, I would have helped out. xD Oh well, there's always next year!

[Animeman73]

Rathany I too must again offer up a big 'My bad' for seeming rather preachy. It's just I had a relative who was an alcholic and had problems. And based on what I've seen of what drugs can do I shirk to think about what might happen to anyone else. Again my apologies.

Although I think the idea of having a time out room to send those high on drugs to until the cops arrive might not hurt. The police are always happy when the public is willing toi work with them to keep things sfe.

[Rathany]

Rathany I too must again offer up a big 'My bad' for seeming rather preachy. It's just I had a relative who was an alcholic and had problems. And based on what I've seen of what drugs can do I shirk to think about what might happen to anyone else. Again my apologies.

Although I think the idea of having a time out room to send those high on drugs to until the cops arrive might not hurt. The police are always happy when the public is willing toi work with them to keep things sfe.

It's all good.  Like I said, most of us are hiding in bed recovering

We really can't have a 'detox room' due to legal issues and implications of permissiveness.  I would like, however, to point out that if we have a situation quiet space can be arranged.  In addition to a few other resourses, we have a 'Sick Bay' for injured staff/attendees and a Con Suite which is where staff go to relax.  However, once a situation is contained, it's badge pull and blacklist time.  Though, really, if someone is freaking out, likely the best thing to do is for us to call the cops/ambulance and let them deal.  It frees us from liability and reduces danger to staff and attendees.  In addition to our policies, we might need to look at Standard Operating Proceedures for this sort of thing so staff know how to respond. 

We deal with this sort of problem very rarely, so we might not be as prepared as we should be.  Drug use (and also smoking) tends to be much, much lower amoung our attendees than the general population.  Anime is wierd enough without drugs

[Mitsukai Mizu Amaya]

Agreed. xD

[Koopa]

Look, you really can't kick them out when there high because IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO BE HIGH!

Sure you can, it doesn't have to be illegal, just against con rules.

i.e.; It's not illegal to be nude in public in Portland (Naked Bike Ride anybody?), but you can't be nude at con.

You can't kick them out if there nude as well. You just have to tell them to cover up. I know the con rules. I'm a Yojimbo.

[Meganekko]

@Koopa

It seems like we've already got this covered pretty well.  We're just playing semantics at this point.

We really can't have a 'detox room' due to legal issues and implications of permissiveness.  I would like, however, to point out that if we have a situation quiet space can be arranged.  In addition to a few other resourses, we have a 'Sick Bay' for injured staff/attendees and a Con Suite which is where staff go to relax.  However, once a situation is contained, it's badge pull and blacklist time.  Though, really, if someone is freaking out, likely the best thing to do is for us to call the cops/ambulance and let them deal.  It frees us from liability and reduces danger to staff and attendees.  In addition to our policies, we might need to look at Standard Operating Proceedures for this sort of thing so staff know how to respond. 

We deal with this sort of problem very rarely, so we might not be as prepared as we should be.  Drug use (and also smoking) tends to be much, much lower amoung our attendees than the general population.  Anime is wierd enough without drugs