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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20500 on: April 06, 2011, 03:07:35 pm »
Sorry, did I come off as creepy? I just thought you would like that I went threw your trash to get your schedule. Doesn't that mean I care?

FYI the neighbors are starting to get suspicious about your weekly trash picking.... XD
Tell them that it is a sign of love.
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« Reply #20501 on: April 06, 2011, 04:40:52 pm »
Sorry, did I come off as creepy? I just thought you would like that I went threw your trash to get your schedule. Doesn't that mean I care?

FYI the neighbors are starting to get suspicious about your weekly trash picking.... XD
My neighbors actually DO go through our trash, it's soooooo creepy.
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« Reply #20502 on: April 06, 2011, 08:31:57 pm »
I AM NOT SURE IF I HAVE EVER POSTED THIS IN HERE.
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20503 on: April 06, 2011, 09:12:07 pm »
Sorry, did I come off as creepy? I just thought you would like that I went threw your trash to get your schedule. Doesn't that mean I care?

FYI the neighbors are starting to get suspicious about your weekly trash picking.... XD
My neighbors actually DO go through our trash, it's soooooo creepy.

Take pictures and post copies on the neighborhood telephone poles. ;)
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20504 on: April 06, 2011, 10:51:46 pm »
Got a new dress and heels to wear on Friday when I take my mom to see Billy Elliot on Friday..... I love having an excuse to dress up (aside from just costumes.) Now I just need to pick up some stuff so I can do something cool with my nails. SO EXCITED!
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« Reply #20505 on: April 06, 2011, 11:55:15 pm »
Currently watching "Jesus Camp". Some people are intense to say the least.
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« Reply #20506 on: April 06, 2011, 11:58:32 pm »
This day impressed me with the lengths that people are willing to go just to piss me off! It opened with half an hour of constant cell phone spam, I saw a possible break with that kickass pumpkin but that was a lie. I spent the last part of the day putting up with constant pointless *****ing about my car. Maybe I need a jackhammer. I can't seem to pound this fact into everyone's head that no shop = no job. I don't plan on doing a damn thing about my car until I have the right conditions for doing so. Today started sunny and ended full of noisy painful hail(like it should).

......

Tomorrow will be better. Maybe I'll get to be rudely awoken by the city's stupid noise before 4AM and see one of my neighbors go berserk over another license fine. I haven't seen the landlord in a while so maybe he'll come around too. People here are so much fun. x_X
Currently watching "Jesus Camp". Some people are intense to say the least.
I could never get behind the whole Jesus thing for some reason. Maybe I really am as corrupt as I first believed. :/
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20507 on: April 07, 2011, 12:24:34 am »
I can't sleep. I keep getting up every half hour to pee. This is probably a sign that I will die soon.

Also I need a freaking job. I have to quit school at the beginning of July if I don't get one. I keep getting interviews and then getting the dreaded "Sorry! We found someone else!" even though they straight out tell me they are super impressed with what I have to say. I must look horrid or something :\
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« Reply #20508 on: April 07, 2011, 02:50:45 am »
I can't sleep. I keep getting up every half hour to pee. This is probably a sign that I will die soon.
Wait, why am I glowing? x_X
I keep getting interviews and then getting the dreaded "Sorry! We found someone else!" even though they straight out tell me they are super impressed with what I have to say. I must look horrid or something :\
You don't need to be working there. What you described is the surface of a minimum wage job. They're run by the worst garbage on the planet and this is why they invite tons of disrespect and malicious intent that corrupts and destroys you and everyone around you. I recently learned this when I did a reset of Walmart. It was so wrong. Supervisors that lie to my face, can't ****ing read a map, disrespect new employees and avoid telling me what they want...Lack of communication, education, common sense...It sent me a clear message: HOLY ****! TOXIC WORK ZONE! BAIL!

It was a bad workplace pure and simple. Unfortunately I didn't leave fast enough because someone wen't far out of their way to give me grief after the second night. It was the first job I had after a long period of being out of work and a major surgery, so some effort put into training me might have helped me and others but as usual that's just me expecting way too much out of people. Lack of care brings out the very worst in everyone. Remember that.

Afterwards I was system operator and sanitizer at a really cool refrigeration plant(hurr hurr hurr...>.>). I was getting paid 3x more than both of my gamer friends that are still struggling to pay rent and utility bills on their crappy dead-end fast food jobs. I made a number of friends there that are worth all of my respect. Too bad this place had so many mechanical problems or I wouldn't have left. :/ Maybe I'll return but they need to get their machines fixed before I do that. I keep in touch with a cute girl that worked with me from the start and she is my perfect messenger. It's only a matter of time. ;D

Those jobs are polar opposites. Is it because of a huge pay gap or is it because I was a necessary and well respected asset that reflected this back at everyone else? No one knows. I'll tell you this much though: Stop looking at the very bottom of the barrel for jobs. I can tell you right now that's your problem and nothing good comes from staying the course.
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20509 on: April 07, 2011, 08:17:16 am »
Well I've taken my first steps towards getting ready for Sakuracon. I've gotten my suitcase down from the attic and I've started to pack my costume. Yeah I know it's early but in my book no better time than the present to get ready.
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20510 on: April 07, 2011, 04:25:57 pm »
ASFSIKGMDFKG I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW SOMETHING THAT I KNOW AND IT'S EATING AT ME.
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20511 on: April 07, 2011, 04:27:11 pm »
Currently watching "Jesus Camp". Some people are intense to say the least.

Not to seem rude, but I'm curious as to what you mean by that...
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20512 on: April 07, 2011, 04:42:36 pm »
Currently watching "Jesus Camp". Some people are intense to say the least.

Not to seem rude, but I'm curious as to what you mean by that...
Have you seen the movie? It's really intense. 

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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20513 on: April 07, 2011, 05:17:39 pm »
Clanned is the saddest thing I have ever watched!!! [/crying eyes out]
Why would they make something so sad?!

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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20514 on: April 07, 2011, 05:24:53 pm »
Clanned is the saddest thing I have ever watched!!! [/crying eyes out]
Why would they make something so sad?!
Because it's so right. <3
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20515 on: April 07, 2011, 07:53:53 pm »
Hahahaha, I was walking to my bank today and on the way back got stopped by this dude who was like, "Oh man, I'm gonna regret this, but I'd be crazy not to try... Can I have your number? You look like you just walked out of my personal Garden of Eden." This was hilarious to me because I was wearing black leggings, combat boots, and an extra large Mary's Strip Club hoodie. Granted, I did have my super adorable blonde wig on, so that must have been it. Either way, his concept of Eden is kind of weird...

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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20516 on: April 07, 2011, 08:31:23 pm »
Was he cute? Didja give him your number?
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« Reply #20517 on: April 07, 2011, 08:48:02 pm »
You clearly have never been with any wild men and have no chance at discovering what we're really thinking. I'm just glad the strange girls can read the mood way better than most people(still sucks though). I think you should have given him your number. From the sound of it the both of you could use some entertainment. :D
Was he cute? Didja give him your number?
Obviously choked on that surprise. Some people can't handle flirting. -_-

*poke* *poke* *poke* *jab* *bounce* *boils the river of time*...

I've had a number of weird girls ask me for my number and right now the creepiest is a tie between the counter girl at Dairy Queen and a random girl that danced with me really well at a previous con. The first interaction went so fast that I couldn't even take anything seriously:
Girl: Hey I know this is awkward...*leans in*
Me: (No, you just made it awkward for yourself!) What?
Girl: But can I have your phone number?
Me: (But I need it more than you do!)...Err...No way. You're way too young for me! :D
Girl: Whaaaaaaaat?! :o

The customers couldn't believe I had even said that and she took it really hard. Her friend didn't though. >.>'
The other situation was with a really cute but top-heavy girl that fought an endless sea of people in the dealer hall just to let me get a snapshot of her hand. It was a little strange and more creative than I thought she was going to do. In short, she impressed me from start to finish. That was a really fun morning explaining that to people nearby. We still talk sometimes but I hope she finds someone way more interesting. I can't be there for her at all and that's not right. Maybe I'll see her again at Sakuracon.~<3
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20518 on: April 07, 2011, 09:03:06 pm »
Was he cute? Didja give him your number?
Hahahahahaha xD well he was pretty cute, but no... I like someone else.

... Actually, I get hit on a lot, and I kind of wish I didn't because I have a really hard telling people no :I

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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20519 on: April 08, 2011, 12:01:04 am »
"[Nikki]
11:54
wat
what was funny about that
I don't get it
[Alex]
11:55pm
nothing
[Nikki]
11:56pm
What a waste of time
if I wanted to watch a fat kid eat granola bars I would look in the mirror"

I just find some of the things I say amusing sometime. I just felt like sharing.
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20520 on: April 08, 2011, 03:30:31 am »
Stranger: hi, what would you like to talk about?
You: GIGA PUDDI
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20521 on: April 08, 2011, 06:32:29 am »
I DON'T WANNA WRITE THIS ESSAYYYYY. *RAGE*
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« Reply #20522 on: April 08, 2011, 06:54:57 am »
Weeeeeee! Hot chocolate for the win! :D
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20523 on: April 08, 2011, 01:25:37 pm »
Currently watching "Jesus Camp". Some people are intense to say the least.

Not to seem rude, but I'm curious as to what you mean by that...
Have you seen the movie? It's really intense. 

Never even heard of it.
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« Reply #20524 on: April 08, 2011, 02:45:06 pm »
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20525 on: April 08, 2011, 05:47:11 pm »
Currently watching "Jesus Camp". Some people are intense to say the least.

Not to seem rude, but I'm curious as to what you mean by that...
Have you seen the movie? It's really intense. 

Never even heard of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNLMuijRyU&feature=related

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« Reply #20526 on: April 08, 2011, 06:35:05 pm »
My car smells like MAN. Hahahaha.
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« Reply #20527 on: April 08, 2011, 06:35:41 pm »
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20528 on: April 08, 2011, 07:20:28 pm »
Currently watching "Jesus Camp". Some people are intense to say the least.

Not to seem rude, but I'm curious as to what you mean by that...
Have you seen the movie? It's really intense. 

Never even heard of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNLMuijRyU&feature=related

The first time I saw this movie I was just so, so genuinely horrified. This is child abuse.

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« Reply #20529 on: April 08, 2011, 11:06:37 pm »
Currently watching "Jesus Camp". Some people are intense to say the least.

Not to seem rude, but I'm curious as to what you mean by that...
Have you seen the movie? It's really intense. 

Never even heard of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNLMuijRyU&feature=related

The first time I saw this movie I was just so, so genuinely horrified. This is child abuse.
Agreed. :/
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« Reply #20530 on: April 08, 2011, 11:18:44 pm »
Just got back to my hotel from seeing 'Billy Elliot.'

It was beautiful..... I cried twice, the set was amazing, and the lead boy was phenomenal. Seriously, this is why I love theatre......
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« Reply #20531 on: April 08, 2011, 11:26:18 pm »
I fell out of wanting to see musicals, but the work that goes into them is crazy. "Billy Elliot" looks like it would be a great show. My mom's seeing it tomorrow. She's stoked! I'm happy you liked it so much, dubaby. It makes me wish I was seeing it. Did they have multiple actors for the lead role? I've heard that they had at least two boys playing the part since it's so physically demanding.

My dad saw the commercial and said "Boys shouldn't be able to bend like that" to which I replied "Oh, I dunno. Just give 'em ten years." He just kind of looked at me. My mom smiled.

I saw "South Pacific" the last time I went to a musical, and I really recommend it. The singers were all fantastic, and the sets were awesome.
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« Reply #20532 on: April 09, 2011, 12:31:19 am »
I haven't ever actually seen a musical, which makes me feel as though I'm seriously missing out.
:O I'd love to get more into the theater department once I'm in college, I have so much going on currently I wouldn't really be able to at my school, though we have a fantastic theater department.
XD I watched the producers for the first time a few weeks ago, and I have to say, the song sung when Bialystock is basically re- singing and acting out the story line thus far, Makes me smile and laugh and cry.
B/ I needs to see more musicals.
I still need to see spring awakening.
Speaking of which, XD Listening to glee while working on cosplays seems to be so much more motivating then anything else I have listened to while sewing.
XD It might just stimulate my brain better then other music at the moment.
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« Reply #20533 on: April 09, 2011, 01:25:38 am »
Glee would be an awesome background show! Good suggestion! When they covered Justin Beiber's "Baby baby" whatever song, it was the first time I heard it. I thought it was really pretty good until I heard the actual non-Glee version.

Nnnot so much.
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« Reply #20534 on: April 09, 2011, 01:37:51 am »
Lawl, Glee's versions of songs are better then the originals sometimes.
XD I think it has something to do with the fact that the voice singing it sounds more accurate.
Sam= Man singing about how his girlfriend is leaving him.
Justin Beiber= singing about a playmate that may be a girl(maybe) ignoring him.
8D that's what I get from that.
(XD I get this because his voice sounds like that of a 12 year old girl, I know, I used to be one and sounded like that.)
Haha.
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« Reply #20535 on: April 09, 2011, 01:40:25 am »
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20536 on: April 09, 2011, 02:02:28 am »
Currently watching "Jesus Camp". Some people are intense to say the least.

Not to seem rude, but I'm curious as to what you mean by that...
Have you seen the movie? It's really intense. 

Never even heard of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNLMuijRyU&feature=related

The first time I saw this movie I was just so, so genuinely horrified. This is child abuse.

Semi-agreed... it's mentally and emotionally handicapping them. It's going to mess them up in terms of forming a healthy personality. It's disturbing, it's indoctrination, it's a lot of other bad things. But I'm not sure it exists on the same spectrum as child abuse, because it's neither overt nor likely to cause mental/emotional damage as pervasive as that which can be associated with child abuse proper.
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« Reply #20537 on: April 09, 2011, 02:37:23 am »
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20538 on: April 09, 2011, 09:48:09 am »
Lawl, Glee's versions of songs are better then the originals sometimes.
XD I think it has something to do with the fact that the voice singing it sounds more accurate.
Sam= Man singing about how his girlfriend is leaving him.
Justin Beiber= singing about a playmate that may be a girl(maybe) ignoring him.
8D that's what I get from that.
(XD I get this because his voice sounds like that of a 12 year old girl, I know, I used to be one and sounded like that.)
Haha.
*q* I'm mostly listening to this song... over and over again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bntQsrECv2U&feature=related


I can't STAND Maroon 5 but I LOOOOVE that song.

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« Reply #20539 on: April 09, 2011, 10:33:28 am »
Did they have multiple actors for the lead role?

There are four different boys who play Billy and two that play Michael, so they just rotate performance nights so none of them get overworked or anything. I actually met the boy who played Billy and one of the other Billy's yesterday at the food carts.... lol

I still need to see spring awakening

I love Spring Awakening sooooo much! I was supposed to see it when it was touring two years ago, but two days before I found out that a school film thing I was helping with was going to start shooting that night. I still regret not going to see it anyways. I got to at least go to a small Q&A session with some of the actors the night before which was really interesting. I need to start getting back into seeing more theatre, I used to be all about plays all the time, and last night made me realize I really miss them.
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20540 on: April 09, 2011, 12:34:06 pm »
Lawl, Glee's versions of songs are better then the originals sometimes.
XD I think it has something to do with the fact that the voice singing it sounds more accurate.
Sam= Man singing about how his girlfriend is leaving him.
Justin Beiber= singing about a playmate that may be a girl(maybe) ignoring him.
8D that's what I get from that.
(XD I get this because his voice sounds like that of a 12 year old girl, I know, I used to be one and sounded like that.)
Haha.
*q* I'm mostly listening to this song... over and over again.
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20541 on: April 09, 2011, 02:27:29 pm »
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20542 on: April 09, 2011, 03:50:31 pm »
Currently watching "Jesus Camp". Some people are intense to say the least.

Not to seem rude, but I'm curious as to what you mean by that...
Have you seen the movie? It's really intense. 

Never even heard of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNLMuijRyU&feature=related

The first time I saw this movie I was just so, so genuinely horrified. This is child abuse.

Semi-agreed... it's mentally and emotionally handicapping them. It's going to mess them up in terms of forming a healthy personality. It's disturbing, it's indoctrination, it's a lot of other bad things. But I'm not sure it exists on the same spectrum as child abuse, because it's neither overt nor likely to cause mental/emotional damage as pervasive as that which can be associated with child abuse proper.

I would consider it to definitely be emotional, if not also mental, abuse; I read a story once about a girl who was raised Catholic and had a friend who was Protestant, and when they were both around six years old the Protestant girl died. The Catholic girl said she couldn't sleep for months because she had so many nightmares of her friend burning in hell because she wasn't the "right" religion. The same girl, who was a woman at the time she was sharing this story, said that she lived her whole life in fear that any sort of blasphemy would damn her forever-- which is totally indicative of lasting emotional abuse brought about by her parents and society imposing their beliefs upon her. She went on to say that later in her life she decided she was an Atheist, and the fear and torment she felt at a) the thought of choosing wrong and the consequences that would bring, and b) the reactions her family and community would have to her choice was the hardest thing she'd ever had to deal with, and haunted her for years. Teaching kids that no matter how good a person may be, if they're not worshiping (the correct) god they're going to suffer eternal torment is wrong. Sick, really. Not to mention the fact that most kids are just parroting their parents' beliefs when it comes to religion, when a person's attitude and beliefs toward religion are a serious thing that require knowledge and understanding of the world as much as a person's beliefs of politics do (as just one example). You wouldn't call a five-year-old a Democrat, or a Republican, or Liberal or Conservative or heck, even an Atheist, and why? Because those are things that are above the mental faculties of the average kindergartner. And yet in that Jesus Camp clip there was a kid who was saying that at age five he already knew he wanted to be a Christian and "needed" to be "saved" by God. How is that considered normal, or admirable, when you know it's just him parroting beliefs that will shape his entire life without his consent? (Consent in that he was told outright that God was 100% real and needed his 100% commitment or else he'd 100% suffer horrible consequences and was given no alternate belief code for comparison, to see what he personally wanted and believed in his life.)
I'm not trying to say that all religion is bad and that people shouldn't share their personal beliefs with their children (because I know that if I ever have any I will definitely be sharing my beliefs with them), just that kids should be given the opportunity to shape their own lives, and their own opinions, and the opportunity to think for themselves. These kids were not, and that is why I consider it abuse.

I think I have too many opinions when it comes to religion :I

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« Reply #20543 on: April 09, 2011, 04:55:07 pm »
Washougal_Otaku, you don't sound rude at all. Seriously. :) I hope you find my answer respectful, and if not, I'm terribly sorry.

I use the word "Intense" in an observational way, too. It's not meant to be derogatory.

First I guess I should explain three of my biggest beefs with religion. The first, and probably most obvious, is when people use it to effect the lives of others, like denying homosexuals the right to marriage because the Bible says so. This includes telling people they are going to hell, etc. It is fine if you believe that, but don't expect everyone else to. It's a simple idea and one I'm sure a lot of you have as well. Another big issue I have is using scare tactics with children. I find it horribly inappropriate and detrimental to social growth that one would teach a child "Sure, little Suzy-Protestant can come over, but since she doesn't believe OUR Bible interpretation, she's burning in Hell". I also have MASSIVE issue when adults wrangle children and use them for their political agendas. Kids should be kids, not billboards for your own beliefs. Yes, children will obviously reflect your ideas, but there is a line that was crossed in this movie.

For a personal example with scare tactics, I went to a Baptist Sunday school while I was reading the third Harry Potter book, and I was told anyone who reads that is going to Hell since it's witchcraft. That messed me up quite a bit, and I wouldn't go near those books for years. It was only in high school when my fellow Catholic friend took me to see Harry Potter that I even had an inkling that these movies would damn my soul. I was horrified when I learned she loved those books.

Back to how I find the movie intense: Catholic Mass, if you've ever gone, is basically the complete opposite of "Jesus Camp"'s depicted Evangelical Church. Catholic Mass is very rigid, very regular, and that is something you either love or hate (so boring if you're a kid). Evangelical church, as seen in the movie, is a lot of shouting, speaking in tongues, noise, and crying. I should also mention that the Catholic Church accepts the Theory of Evolution, while the Evangelical Church seems to strictly be the Young Earth 6,000 years, and if you don't believe that, you're going to Hell. That I have problems with, but, again, the "So long as you don't try to force it down my throat/my relatives' throats" applies so if I met someone with the Young Earth belief, so long as we respected each others positions, I would get along with them fine. We just wouldn't talk about it. It is fully possible to have many churches coexist if it wasn't that people were so determined to be right and get others to acknowledge that they're right.

There are extremists in any religion or atheism, and as a former Catholic, I definitely recognize that "Jesus Camp" isn't at all a correct representation of all the Christian religions. It is, however, frightening that people can get so involved in their belief that they will do crazy things. The Evangelicals depicted in this movie are the type with their fingers in their ears and staunch refusal to listen to anyone else's opinion, belief, or evidence. As it turns out, out of all the children home-schooled in the US, at the time this movie was made (roughly 2003), 75% of those children are Evangelical. While I don't have a problem with the idea of home-schooling, when the purpose of home-schooling is to deny your child the right and ability  to learn outside of what you personally believe, that's on the less-okay side of things. A child deserves to grow up and be influenced by the lives around them.

I do highly recommend that everyone watch "Jesus Camp" with an open mind, whether you believe or not. I don't think it will really change your opinion on anything, but I think it's something socially-aware Americans need to know about. If nothing else, I think it's a great example of how unbiased documentaries should be. There is very little outside voices or suggestive editing. All of it is a fair representation from what I can tell.

Also, the documentary "The Most Hated Family in America" is another great one. It's about the Westboro Baptist Church. The big message I got out of them is the Westboro Baptist Church is basically one large family that also doubles as lawyers. Don't feed the troll and ignore them if you see them. Don't look at them. Don't respond. Just pretend they're not there.
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20544 on: April 09, 2011, 10:33:02 pm »
Currently watching "Jesus Camp". Some people are intense to say the least.

Not to seem rude, but I'm curious as to what you mean by that...
Have you seen the movie? It's really intense. 

Never even heard of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNLMuijRyU&feature=related

The first time I saw this movie I was just so, so genuinely horrified. This is child abuse.

Semi-agreed... it's mentally and emotionally handicapping them. It's going to mess them up in terms of forming a healthy personality. It's disturbing, it's indoctrination, it's a lot of other bad things. But I'm not sure it exists on the same spectrum as child abuse, because it's neither overt nor likely to cause mental/emotional damage as pervasive as that which can be associated with child abuse proper.

I would consider it to definitely be emotional, if not also mental, abuse; I read a story once about a girl who was raised Catholic and had a friend who was Protestant, and when they were both around six years old the Protestant girl died. The Catholic girl said she couldn't sleep for months because she had so many nightmares of her friend burning in hell because she wasn't the "right" religion. The same girl, who was a woman at the time she was sharing this story, said that she lived her whole life in fear that any sort of blasphemy would damn her forever-- which is totally indicative of lasting emotional abuse brought about by her parents and society imposing their beliefs upon her. She went on to say that later in her life she decided she was an Atheist, and the fear and torment she felt at a) the thought of choosing wrong and the consequences that would bring, and b) the reactions her family and community would have to her choice was the hardest thing she'd ever had to deal with, and haunted her for years. Teaching kids that no matter how good a person may be, if they're not worshiping (the correct) god they're going to suffer eternal torment is wrong. Sick, really. Not to mention the fact that most kids are just parroting their parents' beliefs when it comes to religion, when a person's attitude and beliefs toward religion are a serious thing that require knowledge and understanding of the world as much as a person's beliefs of politics do (as just one example). You wouldn't call a five-year-old a Democrat, or a Republican, or Liberal or Conservative or heck, even an Atheist, and why? Because those are things that are above the mental faculties of the average kindergartner. And yet in that Jesus Camp clip there was a kid who was saying that at age five he already knew he wanted to be a Christian and "needed" to be "saved" by God. How is that considered normal, or admirable, when you know it's just him parroting beliefs that will shape his entire life without his consent? (Consent in that he was told outright that God was 100% real and needed his 100% commitment or else he'd 100% suffer horrible consequences and was given no alternate belief code for comparison, to see what he personally wanted and believed in his life.)
I'm not trying to say that all religion is bad and that people shouldn't share their personal beliefs with their children (because I know that if I ever have any I will definitely be sharing my beliefs with them), just that kids should be given the opportunity to shape their own lives, and their own opinions, and the opportunity to think for themselves. These kids were not, and that is why I consider it abuse.

I think I have too many opinions when it comes to religion :I

Wrt the example you provide being abuse... oh hell, yeah. (No pun intended.)

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that it can't grow to the level of abuse - for an extreme example, the "faith healers" who let their children die in horrible pain and suffering because they "don't believe in" insulin, cancer treatment, etc have earned their millstone and their special place in Good Intentions Hell as far as I'm concerned. I only meant that I'm not sure if it hits the level of abuse in this clip. (I might feel differently if I saw the whole movie, as you have.)
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20545 on: April 09, 2011, 11:03:45 pm »
Currently watching "Jesus Camp". Some people are intense to say the least.

Not to seem rude, but I'm curious as to what you mean by that...
Have you seen the movie? It's really intense. 

Never even heard of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNLMuijRyU&feature=related

The first time I saw this movie I was just so, so genuinely horrified. This is child abuse.

Semi-agreed... it's mentally and emotionally handicapping them. It's going to mess them up in terms of forming a healthy personality. It's disturbing, it's indoctrination, it's a lot of other bad things. But I'm not sure it exists on the same spectrum as child abuse, because it's neither overt nor likely to cause mental/emotional damage as pervasive as that which can be associated with child abuse proper.

I would consider it to definitely be emotional, if not also mental, abuse; I read a story once about a girl who was raised Catholic and had a friend who was Protestant, and when they were both around six years old the Protestant girl died. The Catholic girl said she couldn't sleep for months because she had so many nightmares of her friend burning in hell because she wasn't the "right" religion. The same girl, who was a woman at the time she was sharing this story, said that she lived her whole life in fear that any sort of blasphemy would damn her forever-- which is totally indicative of lasting emotional abuse brought about by her parents and society imposing their beliefs upon her. She went on to say that later in her life she decided she was an Atheist, and the fear and torment she felt at a) the thought of choosing wrong and the consequences that would bring, and b) the reactions her family and community would have to her choice was the hardest thing she'd ever had to deal with, and haunted her for years. Teaching kids that no matter how good a person may be, if they're not worshiping (the correct) god they're going to suffer eternal torment is wrong. Sick, really. Not to mention the fact that most kids are just parroting their parents' beliefs when it comes to religion, when a person's attitude and beliefs toward religion are a serious thing that require knowledge and understanding of the world as much as a person's beliefs of politics do (as just one example). You wouldn't call a five-year-old a Democrat, or a Republican, or Liberal or Conservative or heck, even an Atheist, and why? Because those are things that are above the mental faculties of the average kindergartner. And yet in that Jesus Camp clip there was a kid who was saying that at age five he already knew he wanted to be a Christian and "needed" to be "saved" by God. How is that considered normal, or admirable, when you know it's just him parroting beliefs that will shape his entire life without his consent? (Consent in that he was told outright that God was 100% real and needed his 100% commitment or else he'd 100% suffer horrible consequences and was given no alternate belief code for comparison, to see what he personally wanted and believed in his life.)
I'm not trying to say that all religion is bad and that people shouldn't share their personal beliefs with their children (because I know that if I ever have any I will definitely be sharing my beliefs with them), just that kids should be given the opportunity to shape their own lives, and their own opinions, and the opportunity to think for themselves. These kids were not, and that is why I consider it abuse.

I think I have too many opinions when it comes to religion :I

Wrt the example you provide being abuse... oh hell, yeah. (No pun intended.)

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that it can't grow to the level of abuse - for an extreme example, the "faith healers" who let their children die in horrible pain and suffering because they "don't believe in" insulin, cancer treatment, etc have earned their millstone and their special place in Good Intentions Hell as far as I'm concerned. I only meant that I'm not sure if it hits the level of abuse in this clip. (I might feel differently if I saw the whole movie, as you have.)

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that you... Weren't implying? Hahaha. And I see what you meant now. Yeah, the whole movie's... A little scary. I'd definitely recommend a watch, if only just because it's certainly a fascinating film. For many reasons.

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« Reply #20546 on: April 09, 2011, 11:46:38 pm »
Faith healing is considered child neglect by Oregon law now.
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« Reply #20547 on: April 10, 2011, 12:11:28 am »
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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20548 on: April 10, 2011, 01:39:55 am »
Faith healing is considered child neglect by Oregon law now.

As it should be!

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Re: SAY almost ANYTHING WE WANT TO!
« Reply #20549 on: April 10, 2011, 02:19:10 am »
Faith healing is considered child neglect by Oregon law now.

As it should be!

Agreed.

I just don't get it... wouldn't you want to do EVERYTHING in your power to save your child, even if it conflicts with your belief system?


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