This is the place we can discuss whether show 'X' or "Y' or 'Z' is anime or not, as a precursor to the final decisions made by the AMV judges panel. Although I coordinate the contest, from developing new categories to determining contest length, and playlists for other AMV events during the con (pre-show, the show aka non-competion exhibition, and Off-hours* selections,) I'd like to repeat that personally I do not vote on the judges panel.
Often if an AMV is likely to raise questions, I pass along to the judges' panel any research notes or links and other special notes provided by the AMV creator.
*Off-hours designates a mix of explicit content AMVs and a general-fare overflow slot.
One member here who has done quite well recently is asking about 'Transformers' - is it anime or not, and if he creates and submits a work, I will point the judges to this thread if they have reservations about Transformers. Once again though:
a) the panel to convene next year may not have any significant questions about 'Transformers,' and
b) if they do make a discussion about it, their collective decision will be final, and
c) I myself do not vote on that panel.
If they have trouble deciding, I may have a few other tools to use as impartial mechanical randomizers: gaming dice, playing cards, suppressed machine pistols, ammonium nitrate, or a few bottles of sherry older than any of them.
Other than that, this is an information exchange, discussion and FUN thread.
Let's not make it a flame war. Offense taken from what I write is purely accidental and is most likely due to my limited skills as a writer. The mantra to hold in mind is: "No matter what happens here, let's make sure the 2009 AMV contest is gonna ROCK."
Alright - off to our first question: 'Transformers.' Evidently there were both TV series and feature-length films, and even a recent live-action movie.
My initial opinion is that this may likely be in the same right-on-the-razor-edge situation as 'Kingdom Hearts' - yes it's Japanese made but "polluted" by Disney characters. That kind of thing.
Wikipedia (that mighty, fact-looking opinion generator) says Transformers has some significant gai-jin origins:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers
" Hasbro, fresh from the success of the G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero toyline, which utilised the Microman technology to great success, bought the Diaclone toys, and partnered with Takara. Jim Shooter and Dennis O'Neil were hired by Hasbro to create the backstory, the latter of whom christened Optimus Prime. Afterwards, Bob Budiansky created most of the Transformers characters, giving names and personalities to many unnamed Diaclone figures. "
Besides Hasbro, we also have significant crossover/entanglement with Marvel Comics:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Spider-ManvsMegatron.jpg
Then there's the question of Sunbow Productions, operating in Japan, but actually a front for New-York based Griffin-Bacal Advertising, founded by
Tom Griffin and Joe Bacal. Sunbow productions include:
( from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunbow_Productions
* Cramp Twins (2001)
* Lion of Oz (2000)
* Mega Babies (1999)
* Salty's Lighthouse (1999)
* Deepwater Black (Mission: Genesis in the U.S.) (1997)
* The Brothers Flub (1997)
* The Adventures of Hyperman (1995)
* The Mask (1995)
* The Littlest Pet Shop (1995)
* The Tick (1994)
* Conan the Adventurer (1992)
* Bucky O'Hare and the Toad Wars (1991) (Co-Production With IDDH, Marvel Productions and Continuity Comics)
* The Nudnik Show (1991)
* Visionaries: Knights of the Magical Light (1987) (Co-Production with TMS Productions)
* My Little Pony and Friends (1986) (Co-Production With Marvel Productions)
* Robotix (1986) (Co-Production With Marvel Productions)
* Inhumanoids (1986) (1986) (Co-Production With Marvel Productions)
* Super Sunday (1985) (1986) (Co-Production With Marvel Productions)
* Jem (1985) (1986) (Co-Production With Marvel Productions)
* G.I. Joe (1985) (1986) (Co-Production With Marvel Productions)
* Transformers (1984) (1986) (Co-Production With Toei Company, Marvel Productions)
* G.I. Joe: The Revenge of Cobra (1984) (1986) (Co-Production With Marvel Productions)
* G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero (1983) (1986) (Co-Production With Marvel Productions)
* The Great Space Coaster (1981)
So the link to Toei exists, but the rest of their production doesn't seem much like anime...
Even so, we might weight Toei 1/3 Marvel 1/3, Sunbow (NYC) 1/3 and get a "33%-anime" rating?**
My current opinion: If you remember the classic Milton-Bradley board game of 'Battleship,' then 'Transformers' is a big ship; super-carrier size maybe, but it's got several "it's not Japanese" plastic pegs stuck in her marked "Hasbro," "Dennis O'Neil," "Bob Budiansky," "Marvel Comics," "Tom Griffin," and "Joe Bacal." One or two more and we'll make water over the gunwhales.
** By this measure we might also consider Ghibli animation as half-Disney and therefore 1/2-anime?
Given Hayao Miyazaki's hyper-environmentalist works over the past 10 years, I'd be pleased to agree with that...