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« on: September 07, 2004, 07:05:21 pm »
Seriously.  Thanks.  I know you guys put up with a lot, and I caused some trouble the last day.. I was the "nude" Sailormoon cosplayer.  Eh-heh heh I really just wanted to display the fact that my friend had been following the rules and shoulden't have been asked to change.  I'm sorry for the trouble I caused, and glad that so many of you were so nice, and several came to my rescue (they know who they are.  I love them with a passion o.o; )

And, if it makes you feel better, I was so embarrassed to actually be in that costume..  :oops: My friend had to loan me.. things to go under it.. my dress before didn't have a bra, and the panties were weird.  o.o That was the most awkward thing I've ever done.. *huggles everyone*

I'll just get off the soapbox now.  ^_^

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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2004, 07:10:25 pm »
*grins* I was in your corner 110%.  alot of the staffers thought it was pushin the rules but it WAS inside the rule limit :) but in the end modesty among minors won out and thus it was shot down.  *cries*  but hey it sure was fun while u guys were wearing it.  iv never seen so many people go bug eyed all at the same time LOL.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2004, 07:23:55 pm »
Thanks for supporting me ^_^  I do know about the new rule for next year, and I don't mind at all.  I think it's a good rule, actually.  I just think it was kinda silly that I was following the rules, and I was almost forced to change.  

On a side note, neither have I.  Nor have I seen so many people debate whether or not it would be a good idea to support me/take my picture or not.  XD
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2004, 07:37:14 pm »
the whole convention pushed pg13 to new level lol

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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2004, 07:39:28 pm »
Okay, this con may have started PG-13, but by monday it was pushing if not already R-rated. And mjsot of it caused by the minors...

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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2004, 07:42:10 pm »
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Okay, this con may have started PG-13, but by monday it was pushing if not already R-rated. And mjsot of it caused by the minors...


*giggles crazilly*  Not like most of us minors are that innocent

Though my mom got annoyed at the cosplay contest due to that hilarious hairgel skit XD she covered my little sister's ears...

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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2004, 07:44:53 pm »
oh I forgot about the hairgel skit... that was to funny. sometimes it is what is not seen that lets the mind wander into its own gutters... Mua Ha Ha Ha!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2004, 07:44:58 pm »
Still, you could try controlling your hormones for three days couldn't you? And yes, that Hair gel skit was bad. But so damn funny!

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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2004, 07:47:00 pm »
yeah I also loved that costume and thought the staff were a little out of line, I mean if you can wear it in public it should be allowed in the con...
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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2004, 07:50:43 pm »
Control hormones at a convention, were Doujinshi run rampid? That's a silly thought.  ^-^  Some people do make it, though.

Yeah, I know, I did follow all rules.  Non thong bathing suit (and a layer under it, too) and I even put the shawl back around my waist after I was asked INCREADIBLY nicely.. I didn't have to be asked that nicely, but it was good to hear someone being so polite.  (Freekin' heart you.. Already said that to him, though.  And I'm horrible with spelling names, so I'm not gonna botehr, but I think it's Ryan.  Or.. whatever variation that may be. o.o Since there are so many..) .. I like that I said I wasn't going to bother, and then I did.

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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2004, 08:16:59 pm »
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yeah I also loved that costume and thought the staff were a little out of line, I mean if you can wear it in public it should be allowed in the con...

The thing is you wouldn't wear it out in public. Not if you had any self-respect. That just screams: "Hey! I'm underage! Wanna have sex?"

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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2004, 08:22:10 pm »
yeah but how many of us go out in public wearing our costumes??? I mean other than for an odd party and such?
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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2004, 08:26:04 pm »
I would. It's just too warm right now. Although when winter comes I can't wear my captain jacket underneath it.

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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2004, 08:31:15 pm »
I sometimes wear my costumes out.. The thing is, it's a dance type thing.  And I DID have clothing on under it.  People wear MUCH less out.  Say.. to the beach or pool.  Have you SEEN some of the swimsuits there are out there?  0.o Jebus.  

And I happen to have a lot of self-respect, and I would wear that costume in public, thanks.  I just woulden't walk around alone.  o.o; Preferably with someone tall and scary looking..
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2004, 08:36:11 pm »
Once it hit sunday it immidiatly went from PG-13 to NC-17 ^_-.  Blacksmith and I had started the glomp/yaoi/hug line and the sasuke by us had the 50 cent kisses and all went crazy, hehe ^_^. But yeah, I was fully behind ya Elf, as ya well know =) After the sunday yaoi crazyness that insued I'm really quite confused as to why they even bothered ya O_o, because we had no problems, then again I suppose I can understand why...I did see a good amount of parents and a few youngins...*puts on his admin face and ponders*
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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2004, 08:37:33 pm »
was it just me or were there more women being perverts then men lol

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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2004, 08:42:41 pm »
dude that is so true!!! I claim reverse discrimination!!! I HAVE BEEN VIOLATED!!! But I guess you can't rape the willing... (and no that didn't happen... only in my wettest dreams) LOL
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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2004, 08:43:43 pm »
lol after hangin with all the different sailor scouts, i can say with NO doubt that it was the women who beat us men out on perversness. LOL.  and im sure they know what im talkin about ;)
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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2004, 08:45:23 pm »
XD I did notice the age-rating seem to slide...

But the thing was, I wasn't trying to be perverted.  At least not in that costume.  XD.  Can't say anything else for any of my other costumes... say,, Mars... or Rei... o.o; Jebus I was pervy in those two.  But... anyways...   The episode is really graceful and beautiful.. If she'd been wearing a dress for the final sequence, I proubly would've made the dress (actually the FINAL final scene is in her school uniform, but no one would get the signifigance).

I actually found a screen shot of the episode.  If anyone here hasn't seen Salormoon SailorStars, this is was I was trying to accomplish, while still staying legal and somewhat modest.  http://friends.xocomp.net/mandy/episode%20199%20and%20200/eternalflying.jpg
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2004, 08:47:55 pm »
hmm no definition on that picture... can't really call it porn....
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« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2004, 08:55:09 pm »
I still think it was a really greaceful and touching series ender.
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2004, 09:06:09 pm »
neither am i.  :)  just noticeing the hentai that could be.  still I have to say thankyou for all the ladies out there who dressed up.  your all braver then I.  thus why i wore the biggest uniform i could find LOL.
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2004, 09:19:16 pm »
Gods, I thank you eternally for putting that shawl on when asked, and not getting in the staff's faces about the situation.  You were well within the rules to wear that costume, as was your friend. (I saw you both, and thought it was pretty cool.)

But we recieved one complaint (the person in question was unfamiliar with the rules in Oregon, so his complaint was more from a different cultural stand point.), but we had to take it seriously as he also pointed out that you were a minor.

Next year, so sorry to tell you this people, but the rules for minors on such clothing are probably going to be different than the rules for adults.  It's more for a safety issue than anything else.

And there will be a rule about signs so that the incident with selling kisses does not happen again.  Sorry people, but no selling of services next year. ^.^;
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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2004, 09:23:05 pm »
I hope that doesn't include signs like "I glomp for pocky" or "Free pizza" (the pizza was NOT free)
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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2004, 09:26:39 pm »
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And there will be a rule about signs so that the incident with selling kisses does not happen again.  Sorry people, but no selling of services next year. ^.^;


Awww, and I was starting a quarter collection, too!

Shucks.

Also, hope you feel better now, Princessfrodo!

I was part of Fanfic Bedtime Stories and could easily tell that you were sick, so, hope ya feel much better now. I too was suffering from some medical problems (Swollen toe, swollen boil on my head (Which is why I wore that blasted hat ALL DAY AND NIGHT, I must hide the ugliness!), and generally sweating (Which isn't really a sickness or anything, I just find it annoying that I sweat SO much, though I think this was caused by my social anxiety problems)).


Wow.....see how it is?

In person, I am so quiet ya never know I am there, online, I never shut the hell up.

Ironic, isn't it?  :D

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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2004, 11:54:49 pm »
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In person, I am so quiet ya never know I am there, online, I never shut the hell up.

Ironic, isn't it?  :D

Not really... It's the internet, silly. ;)

DarkenedElf:

Well, thank you for being considerate, elf. Even though it might not have been breaking any rules (I haven't read them recently), please consider the position we staff are in: we're still relatively new to this, so we're learning it as we go. Often a rule doesn't occur to us until something causes a problem we have to deal with.

Your costume may have been legal to wear in public, but we also have to consider how the hotel would react, too, should you have worn it anywhere besides LL1 and LL2. So if anyone else ends up in DarkenedElf's situation, pleeeeease be considerate about it. Now, if any staff are outright rude to you, that's another matter. But please consider what it's like on our end, okay? We're people too. :)
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2004, 12:05:01 am »
I gotta thank that security guy, I think his name was Matt. ^_^ Being 4th into the dealer room on day one...well...he kept me from getting trampled. Also, mega thanks to the Karaoke guy, who kept it open during the dance. ^____^ You all rock.
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2004, 12:25:45 am »
i was wondering when security was gonna break that kissing both up

did anyone else notice there seemed to be alot more minors then adults

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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2004, 01:02:09 am »
Yeah, that actually kinda disturbed me...*_* I mean, I was one of the Glomp Line T-Shirt Ninjas with a sign that just said basically "lonely, need hugs, or glomps" but selling kisses, and to minors...I was starting to ponder about that.
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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2004, 01:12:43 am »
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I gotta thank that security guy, I think his name was Matt. ^_^ Being 4th into the dealer room on day one...well...he kept me from getting trampled. Also, mega thanks to the Karaoke guy, who kept it open during the dance. ^____^ You all rock.

You're quite welcome. I honestly enjoyed every minute of it. :)

I also have Matt to thank for covering for me at Karaoke Room earlier in the day so I could continue in the DDR tournament. It was unrealistic of me to think that I'd have more free time on Sunday... :?

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did anyone else notice there seemed to be alot more minors then adults

This is actually quite normal.

A new con friend of mine -- age 20, female -- joked about how "nobody over the age of 18 is getting any action." :P
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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2004, 04:49:25 am »
Sailor moon is mostly a kids show. If she can be naked there...wtf is wrong with a tan bodysuit?  It's a real costume, from a real episode.  FROM A KIDS SHOW.  Man, for a con that originated in EUgene9a place full of nudist hippies), you sure seem to treat the idea even of nudity liek it's satan's spawn.  

AT the same time, If I look at it from a conservative view, I can see why even the implication of nudity may be innapropriate, I was fully behind kelsey and ma girls.
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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2004, 09:42:48 am »
i must not of noticed it at sukura con

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« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2004, 10:13:24 am »
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I think that sentence is inappropriate, and I'm pretty hurt.
Please reread this thread. A congoer complained. We were forced to look into it. We're unhappy to make people change costumes, but for a couple of reasons I personally don't want to discuss here, we decided we should say something about it. We knew that her dress was appropriate according to our rules, but the last thing we want at the con is adults complaining, so all we did was talk very politely with her. We didn't force her to change. We didn't ask her to leave. We LIKE her.

You know, it sounds a little like you want to escalate this, but please realize, we're a bunch of anime fans who are constantly freaking out that someone from the real-world is going to totally shut us down because a minor does something they feel is too over-the-line and they blame us personally or worse, sue us.

So yeah, minors pretending they are naked, over-18's selling kisses to everyone including minors, sleep-parties in the hallway suggestively titled as "orgies" (yes I know it was just sleeping and glomping!) cause the people who fund the con (me and other staff) to have nightmares at night, because stuff like this is what leads to the hotel/police/parents shutting us down if we're not careful, and we could also lose all our money and never be able to hold another con again.

All it takes is one bad incident. One mistake. That's how close to the edge we are the entire time. So please forgive us our wariness.

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« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2004, 12:31:51 pm »
Here comes my analogy again.  I'm using a child/adult relationship here, but I'm not taking down to the teens here.  I'd use this same analogy to a 50-year-old.

Any convention's relationship with the hotel is exactly like someone's cool but kind of conservative parents.  We beg the 'rents to let us have our huge party and they finially say, "OK, Kids!  We'll let you have your party as long as you are good, promise to pay for everything and don't scare the neighbors and our friends that will also be visiting at the same time!  If you are "bad," not only will we not let you have your party next year, we'll make sure all the other cool parents that would let you have your party know that you can't be trusted!"

And that's exactly what happens.  If enough people complained to the front desk, we have to make sure to maintain the relationship with the hotel and we HOPE the con-goer understands.  Going back to the child/adult thing, imagine having this cool shirt that says stuff on it your parents would never let you wear out of the house.  It's kind of like putting someting else over it as you leave and then pulling it off the coverup once you get far enough away.  (Also maybe wearing it after most of the parents with little kids with them were gone and having a coverup for the non convention areas would have been a good idea).

In a real world situation, Aka-Con out of Vancouver, BC (rumor has it), skipped out on huge hotel bills and caused so much trouble that it was almost impossible for any hotel to allow an Anime Convention in that city.  All the hotel operators network so word gets around.  Thank goodness Anime Evolution was able to get started (and was very creative in finding a venue).  The damage that Aka-con did may be starting to be forgotten in BC, but it took years.  And we aren't just doing it for anime fans. It's for any group of non-business type people that want to hold an event at places like big fancy hotels with meeting rooms.
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« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2004, 01:09:06 pm »
I am not going to bash on the staff (heck I roomed with mostly security volunteers) I enjoyed Kumoricon more than I did Sakuracon. Every event was on time, the staff were easier to talk to. The only peeve I have is that it wasn't a 24 hour convention. I know the insurance would be 3 times higher, but I wanted to do some gaming. I know we had 1251 and I am already estimating 2000 next year, while sakuracon should reach 6000. I just hope that things are this cool next year. oh and a Labor day weekend made it even better!!!
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« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2004, 01:16:24 pm »
thanks, omniwarrior :-)
I wanted to do 24 hours real bad this year too, but after talking to some convention organizers who have been doing this thing for decades, I think I'm changing my mind (my opinion, not official at all). I would like extended hours, but I think we should close our con for at least 3-4 hours every night to make sure congoers are forced to rest, and we can reset/clean any rooms that need fixing, especially video rooms, which can get pretty rank, and are always running.
Additionally, no staff wants to work the night shifts, or at least not enough. And the night shifts can be when the most trouble happens as it is, especially if people aren't well-rested. I'm beginning to think ultimately that 24-hour con is a little like playing Russian Roulette...
That said, I think we should extend hours to 2 or 3 next year, and that might be doable, though we'll definitely need about 3 times the staff we had this year to pull that off.
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« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2004, 01:52:33 pm »
I don't regret this but I was the original person to wear the "nude" Sailormoon costume, the truth was I saw no problem with it and had no idea what so ever people would freak out or that it would cause disputes... I just thought of the costume about two nights before and was like "well there were about 15 girls at sakura con in nothing but bikinis, not even shoes or socks... and very light pink near nude color so why can't I?" the fact that somone had a problem with this disturbs me when both me and darkened elf were fully clothed but I respect the fact that we minors should be more conservative. I apologize for any inconveniance I may have caused... I am quite pleased however that I got an award for the costume and got my picture taken a few times before being forced to change... although I do know the picture will not be on this site, but I did request that the picture be sent to me and gave them my email, I guess I just kinda want to give them a reminder that I want the picture lol ^^. I mean if I actually got up my strength and wore that I really do want to see how the picture came out because I dont know anyone else who got a picture... (my gf did'nt take one of any of my costumes  :cry: ) I thank darkened elf greatly due to her protection of me... she is one of my closest friends, when she heard what happened she picked up the gauntlet and went to right a wrong lol so to speak (metaphorically speaking).

   Also I have heard that the chairman of the the sakura con had a few choice words about my costume and the word "sl*t con" was used to describe what the con would be called if that type of costume was to be worn more often. This did hurt my feelings quite a bit, I have quite a bit of self respect (Thanks to counceling ^^;; ) but I only wore that costume because everyone always says how the body is a work of art... not to try to sell myself. I have a wonderful Girl friend and am quite content with just her. I do not wish to insult you but: To the chairman of sakuracon I am sorry if you found my costume "innappropriate" but the truth is the costume was completely innocent and the only people who would find it dirty are probably dirty themselves... and to judge someone that way before you meet them is abomidable, unpolite and could get you yourself into trouble one day.

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« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2004, 02:13:27 pm »
I feel like I should be honest here, even if it gets me in a spot of trouble, sexiness_reborn, but since I didn't know you were cosplaying sailormoon it felt like your costume was designed for shock value initially. Not that it was, that's just my initial. non-dirty feeling. And if I, jaded-otaku-guy, get that feeling, I get more worried about parents/hotel/press getting that feeling.
I would really like an honest response to this and my previous post. You're not the one who could lose thousands of dollars; quite frankly it's me and my best friends.
And yes, I also sweat over some of the other costumes people dress up in too, it's not just you.
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« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2004, 02:19:48 pm »
Thanks, sexiness-chan.  ^.~  And shock value may have crossed her mind... Me it was mostly "God damn I love that costume" and "What?  They made Nelle upset when she was following the rules?  ... To hell with that" ..

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« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2004, 02:26:34 pm »
imo the rule should be changed to you should not apear to be nude at any time

imo it was a inmature costume made for the shock value

but that is just my opion what ever thats worth

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« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2004, 02:36:45 pm »
Staff guy I understand completely and like I said I did'nt think it would cause problems but the fact that it did made me a bit remorseful. and zenix... no it was partially made for shock value... very partial, I made it because I love sailor moon and am a fan for life... I noticed no one had ever done nude sailor moon so I decided to do the costume because I wouldnt wear it unless I thought it looked good I never wear costumes I might look bad in because I dont want to ruin that character... ask darkened elf... shock value played an extremely minor role in the costume...and if you say that I di it for shock value you must be saying filkaeris did hers for shock value and hers was from naruto when he goes all naked woman in the thing... I just love sailor moon and wanted people to know that she wore that in episode 200 the final sailor moon anime episode made... I'm not trying to be mean but please next time ask someone if it was for shock value alone or just think before you say something because it can offend/hurt someone of even make them angry.
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« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2004, 02:50:28 pm »
sexiness_reborn, you misunderstand me.
I needed to say that you were initially shocking, not to be rude, but so that you can understand what I'm looking out for, and again, that is parents/hotel/press, who misunderstand things to our detriment ALL THE TIME.
it's called a gut reaction, which is not always correct, but something that people tend to listen to. so if I have a gut reaction to something, I have to assume that not only will other random people as well, but they might actually FOLLOW that reaction and run with it before they have time to say, simply talk to you. :-(
Thankfully, it looks like we didn't actually have problems with the hotel/parents/press this year, so maybe people are beginning to figure us out!
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« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2004, 03:07:46 pm »
no no no modab I was telling you I understand you guys's position I was just saying all the other stuff to zenix because that persons comment was'nt needed... and a bit rude.
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« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2004, 03:14:39 pm »
why should i ask someone for my own opion
i said that was my opion of it i dont know the real reason it was made

and i dont care if i offended anyone people get offend to easyly

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« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2004, 03:29:58 pm »
I didnt say I was offended I said it was rude to say that when you dont know the truth that was all, I have nothing against you personally but I just dont like it when people say stuff like that and dont know anything about it
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« Reply #45 on: September 08, 2004, 03:52:46 pm »
"why should i ask someone for my own opion
i said that was my opion of it i dont know the real reason it was made

and i dont care if i offended anyone people get offend to easyly"

Because you shouldn't go around telling people what they think.  if you'd read the entire thread, you'd know that shock-value was a minor role.  And you should care if you offend people because it's common courtesy for human beings that have any kind of social morality.

If you're not a big Moonie, you wouldn't understand anyway.  I know why you would wear it.  Maybe some day when the rules are changed you could get somebody to be the Galaxia-angel in the nude costume as well.  That was a beautiful and touching part of the series!
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« Reply #46 on: September 08, 2004, 04:38:26 pm »
who am i telling what they think?

i have read the whole thread and i just stated my opion of it

if i had care who i offend i wouldent get anything done no matter what though out your day u will offend someone you probly wouldent even notice it

what the hell is a moonie

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« Reply #47 on: September 08, 2004, 05:03:36 pm »
moonie = Sailor moon fan
I loved the outfit, I thought it was tasteful. I can see where people would get offended and such so it is an issue. And as said above people get offended way too easily. Just a word of warning, if you want to wear something like that make sure it comes with a stungun to keep the perverts in check... LOL
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« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2004, 06:07:13 pm »
Actually, when sexiness and I are both legal, I hope we WILL do those two costumes.  I really wanna do Sailor Chaos and her be Galaxia for an upcomming convention.. ^_^  

I really don't want people to argue over this one... I mean, after all, the convention's already over, and until someone comes up with a time machiene that can fix the threads of time without destroying the outcome for everyone else, then I suppose what's done is done.  ^-^;;;;;
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« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2004, 06:25:38 pm »
that would be nice jumping back and forth between all the cons i like that idea

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« Reply #50 on: September 08, 2004, 07:12:07 pm »
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you sure seem to treat the idea even of nudity liek it's satan's spawn

I think that sentence is inappropriate, and I'm pretty hurt.
Please reread this thread. A congoer complained. We were forced to look into it. We're unhappy to make people change costumes, but for a couple of reasons I personally don't want to discuss here, we decided we should say something about it. We knew that her dress was appropriate according to our rules, but the last thing we want at the con is adults complaining, so all we did was talk very politely with her. We didn't force her to change. We didn't ask her to leave. We LIKE her.

You know, it sounds a little like you want to escalate this, but please realize, we're a bunch of anime fans who are constantly freaking out that someone from the real-world is going to totally shut us down because a minor does something they feel is too over-the-line and they blame us personally or worse, sue us.

So yeah, minors pretending they are naked, over-18's selling kisses to everyone including minors, sleep-parties in the hallway suggestively titled as "orgies" (yes I know it was just sleeping and glomping!) cause the people who fund the con (me and other staff) to have nightmares at night, because stuff like this is what leads to the hotel/police/parents shutting us down if we're not careful, and we could also lose all our money and never be able to hold another con again.

All it takes is one bad incident. One mistake. That's how close to the edge we are the entire time. So please forgive us our wariness.

Thanks, and please be polite,
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I did read the thread, and I had heard a share about it at the con.  I really do appologize for comming off like a jerk.  Im really not, and I appologize for comming off completely rude.  =^_^=  I understand why staffers had to do what they did, and I was more refferring to people that compalin about nakiness.  It take s a lot to work me up over things, so Im not tryign to instigate a riot, or anything.  I was a bit upset, over sioemthign I was told, that was said to sexiness reborn at the con, and I admit, that probably fueled me to come off a bit ruder than I actually mean, or feel liek being.  Writign it at 6 am on no sleep probably didn't help either.  Peace, modab?
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« Reply #51 on: September 08, 2004, 08:39:08 pm »
I was just reading through threads and just finished this one.  Thought I would point out, giving the view of someone as yet uninvolved, you all are saying the same thing, agreeing and disagreeing on all the same points, the only debate seems to be the figurative pronounciation of tomato.  You're all saying the same thing, just in two different voices and apologizing to the others that you might be too loud.  We all want the con to be safe, we all want the con to be fun, we all want to have the con again for years to come.   :D
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« Reply #52 on: September 08, 2004, 08:42:18 pm »
See, the thing is, though Portland is quite a liberal town, we WERE in a hotel, and that means people from out-of-state, and not all in the world share our beliefs...

I can see someone with a strict belief system being really upset by something like that. I'm glad it was handled the way it was.

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« Reply #53 on: September 08, 2004, 08:54:44 pm »
That's why I didn't go flaunting up in a level beyond three (where I had to get my stuff from the car, to the bathroom, then three feet to the elevator) then LL1.  I myself am from Washington, but I happen to know a few of the Portland laws.. I kept it within the con.

And yet, I realize we're all mostly saying the same thing.  It's interesting to watch how so many people word, it, though.  Except when they're rude.. then it's just irritating.
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« Reply #54 on: September 08, 2004, 09:06:38 pm »
i saw a bumper sticking today it said keep portland wierd

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« Reply #55 on: September 08, 2004, 09:08:33 pm »
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i saw a bumper sticking today it said keep portland wierd
See, I'm pretty sure this is what we call "spam" -- totally off-topic, pointless posts that don't really have any meaning.

I know it doesn't effect much, as the con IS over, but would you please hold off on posting that kind of thing? It really annoys a lot of people.

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« Reply #56 on: September 08, 2004, 09:12:44 pm »
amen to that.  wierd is good.  and the costume was good.  the opinions of some were bad, the opinion of others was good.  *shrugs*  all in all whats done is done.  *waves hi to both ladies who wore the costume* I was rootin for ya.
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« Reply #57 on: September 08, 2004, 09:13:32 pm »
Personally I saw it as a light-hearted attempt to change the subject.  To each their own. :)
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« Reply #58 on: September 08, 2004, 09:58:27 pm »
yes changing the subject is good and yes it would be spam but this topic need to atleast end with some humor

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« Reply #59 on: September 08, 2004, 11:02:59 pm »
You can never assume your post is "ending" a topic unless you're a moderator who is about to lock it. Also, changing the subject when it's clearly stated in the name of the topic is not realistic. This is a forum, not a chat room; the way we change subjects is to switch to different threads. Believe me, it works.

This is a very public forum that values all kinds of feedback, so I'm not going to use any mod powers unless something obviously inappropriate is said (and even then I'd be hesitant), but just please keep that in mind.

Now...

(moderator switch OFF!)

(bias switch ON!)

I would like to please warn the Sailor Moon fans not to fall into the trap of saying "if you aren't a moonie you wouldn't understand." Each of us has our interests. Many of us hate anime series that others absolutely love. An anime convention, by definition, is a testament to our ability as fellow fans to come together, and share what we have in common overall: we love anime.

I know as well as anybody how this goes. I used to get annoyed at certain series and elements overflowing at any particular convention. I hate Dragonball Z. I dislike Sailor Moon. I'm lukewarm about Final Fantasy and Naruto.

But I shrug at the Dragonball Z costumes, I smile at the choreographed Sailor Moon performances, and I laugh myself crazy when I watch the hilarious skits and parodies put out by the Final Fantasy and Naruto cosplayers.

I don't share all your tastes. But I can still love watching what happens when you express your unique view of a fandom. In short, I don't need to enjoy the series you enjoy in order to appreciate you.

Now regarding the actual costume itself, the staff's treatment of your outfit is not a reflection of your personal character or tastes. For instance, there was one cosplayer going around as a fully-clothed flop-eared bunnygirl whom she identified as "from a hentai series." The show itself would not be appropriate for the convention, but her costume definitely was. (it was quite cute, in fact)

Anyway, in the end I see two sides of this... both want to be right, but care much more about remaining on friendly terms. This is good. :) If everyone here knew eachother for more than 3-4 days, I'm sure we'd all be joking and smiling again by now. I wish you could see the looks on the faces of Pezcat, Procyon, and modab when they feel as though they've slighted someone. They really do care about this con and all the people coming to see it.

(By the way, I mentioned those people in particular because I've talked to all three recently about how the con went...I don't see QEvil/Sean as much since he lives in Portland now)
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« Reply #60 on: September 09, 2004, 01:21:51 am »
i did not mean my post should be the last one it just looked like this thread was winding down maybe end was the wrong choice of words

dont you think a bit of humor at the end of a contraversial thread is good?

if u feel i have oversteped any bounds in any way i am truly sorry

i think i need to shut up for a few day i seem to be getting myself it trouble brain must need a reset :P

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« Reply #61 on: September 09, 2004, 03:34:22 pm »
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i hate to sound rude or annoying but it'd be really nice if the security people didn't stop 2-feet away from you, stare you up and down for an insanely uncomfortable amount of time, then finally growl "BADGE?!" at you. it only happened once but it was very disturbing for me, especially since the same security person felt the need to touch me later. without my permission. i dont mind touching, as any of you who know me knows, but i dont like it from people i dont know, particular after the afore-mentioned incident  :( [/i]

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« Reply #62 on: September 09, 2004, 04:01:01 pm »
*Cuddles Toki-chan*

It is kinda true that if you're not a Sailormoon fan you woulden't quite understand the signifigance, though.  Not saying you don't understand... more of just dosen't have the same impact I suppose.  But yeah.. that's the best thing about little cons, though... you can become friends quickly, and forgive and forget easily. ^^
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« Reply #63 on: September 09, 2004, 04:07:29 pm »
yeah! im not a Sailor Moon fan AT ALL, or Naruto, or any of the other animes that i didn't even recognize (there were a lot, too) but i still realize that other people do like these things and they're more significant to those people. darkened elf is my favorite lap candy and sexiness_reborn is a good friend as well (i have pics of you!) and i saw FAR worse at Sakura Con, so i just oogled them and...well...started an "orgy"  :oops:  i understand everyone's position in this thing and well...IT WAS GREAT WHILE IT LASTED!!!  :D

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« Reply #64 on: September 09, 2004, 11:17:18 pm »
i hope it wasnt me, i tried to mention badges nicely and never touched anyone without permission.  im the one in the blue security outfit :).
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« Reply #65 on: September 10, 2004, 05:18:43 am »
No, no, I'm fairly sure it wasn't you, Kylite.  ^^;
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« Reply #66 on: September 10, 2004, 01:48:04 pm »
zenix:

You're not doing anything horrible, it's just that making it out to be no big deal isn't really going to help much. Plenty of things which shouldn't be a big deal, become big deals, just because that's what happens when you deal with a thousand people gathered in one place. What can ya do?

Toki:

Yeah, there was a suggestion to that effect in Help/Suggestions/Complaints. It was brought up at the Eugene staff meeting last night, in response to forum comments.

The problem is keeping security volunteers informed of their boundaries and limits. Since we were so low on volunteers and staff, many of them were thrown into the job rather suddenly. Next year we hope to have, bare minimum, a rules and guidelines handout and a quick briefing for each volunteer before they have any interaction with the public.

We had the problem because of lack of volunteers and a rush to recruit them; Sakura Con has had the problem because they have more volunteers than they can easily keep track of. Hopefully we can overcome that as we grow.
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« Reply #67 on: September 11, 2004, 01:24:47 pm »
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i saw a bumper sticking today it said keep portland wierd
See, I'm pretty sure this is what we call "spam" -- totally off-topic, pointless posts that don't really have any meaning.

I know it doesn't effect much, as the con IS over, but would you please hold off on posting that kind of thing? It really annoys a lot of people.


It wasn't spam though. It was related to the portland being liberal thing.  Spam would be if someone came in and said "I am a giant pig monkey.  WHo wants fries?" randomly.  And now, zenix is appologizing...and I don't know why. (I had to say something...It was rude)
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