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« on: September 04, 2004, 12:05:59 pm »
Heya, all

We showed up at 3 pm ish on saturday (today) and it was already maxed out.

We were able to get Sunday and Monday passes, but, well, that doesn't help us for today.

Anyone else in said predicament?
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2004, 12:36:17 pm »
wowie i hopr i can get in tomorrow morning (sunday morn) i have a 3 hr drive and will be timing to try to getthere by 8 am ish.

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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2004, 02:40:35 pm »
Yeah I got there at a little past 3 and couldn't get in either, quite disappointing, I was planning to get the weekend pass and go all three days, but I guess I'll just attend tomorrow.  I hate getting up that early, but I really want to catch that thing on Japanese sword forging.  Wish I would've just known that there was a limit, I would've come much sooner.

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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2004, 08:22:03 am »
yeah, i showed up around 1pm and had the same problem.  i was pretty pissed off though, since whoever i talked to told me they were "near capacity" and they wouldn't let anyone else in.  the thing is, i saw her make some deals with some other people who said they would volunteer for 5 hours in exchange for admission, which pissed me off.  i mean, its one thing to tell one paying customer that they can't get in because its near capacity, but its another to tell the very next person in line that they can get in in exchange for a few hours of volunteer work.  the thing is, it was pretty clear that the people who agreed to volunteer weren't actually gonna do anything but get their admission and run.  *sigh*  

i signed up for today and they said i'd get in for sure if i just signed some list, so if they don't let me in, i'm gonna have to kill someone.   :evil:

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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2004, 01:25:38 pm »
I tried to get in Sunday but couldn't.  If I get there early Monday I can still get in, right?

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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2004, 01:34:54 pm »
Gwa!!  Happened again today, cept this time I was actually the first person that wasn't let in :(  I did get a dealer room pass though, so s'okay, guess I'll just wait for Sakuracon now.

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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2004, 03:50:24 pm »
thanks for trying.....the turnout has been amazing....watch for bigger and better things next year.....

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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2004, 06:01:26 pm »
Yes. my friend and I were not able to get in.


And  we were pissed off quite a bit.


Ya know, kumoricon i feel, was just rather poorly managed. Pre-registration prices for example-there was a reason I didn't pre-register back in July, because I only wanted to go one day. Had i know that the 20 dollars would have been the price for one day i would have done so, but the actual price for things didn't come around until quite a long time. Why would I want to pay 35 dollars to go three days when I just want to go one? And then of course, the fact that it's held at the marriot which has limited compacity as it is and isn't the best place to hold this kind of stuff. Not to mention the website was hardly ever updated. Course this is your guy's second year  but...yeesh. Keep this in mind next year...

It really pisses people off when they come into Portland from afar for a day and find out they just wasted their time and were punished for not pre-registering and paying extra money for days they didn't, or couldn't, be there.

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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2004, 10:01:50 pm »
It appears that that there were somethings that caught our organizers off guard.  Either the addendance was under estimated or the hotel neglected to inform them of the restriction at the time of booking.  This could be chalked up to inexperience, but now they know.  I personally am happy to have an event such as this in portland and rushed to register as soon as news came through the vine.  It is rather unfortunate that many people got turned away.  Now we all know that if you want to get in, even for just one day, pre-register.  It may cost a little more than a day ticket, but it is better than getting turned away.  

My complaint is the lack of information that was relayed to the public.  I found out from a friend about Kumoricon, and I don't know of his source.  This site didn't seem to have the information I was looking for in an easy to find location.  Most of the was found by scouring the forums, which was time consuming and mostly fruitless.  

The only media release I saw was in Friday's paper.  This may have lead to the lack of space.  I'm sure if the news had gotten out sooner, pre-registration would have been higher and the organizers would have known that they needed a larger venue.

It's a learning experience.  Pre-register and have fun next year.  Until then, I will see you at Sakura-con, ( and possibly in San Diego too.)

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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2004, 10:59:44 pm »
Sorry to hear about those who didn't get in. That must of Stunk like really badly >.< I can tell you one thing that DID Happen though. Yaoi kissing booths... yeah maybe if you come Monday...You can hop in if you are into that. *looks arround at every one who he Kissed* YES I WAS THAT GUY!!!!
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2004, 01:31:28 am »
Yes I would've definitely pre-registered had I known about it sooner, but I didn't find out till Friday's newspaper, but oh well now I'll be ready for next year with plenty of time to make a good cosplay outfit.

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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2004, 08:16:46 am »
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Yes I would've definitely pre-registered had I known about it sooner, but I didn't find out till Friday's newspaper, but oh well now I'll be ready for next year with plenty of time to make a good cosplay outfit.


Tell me about it!  I live like 20 minutes away, if I would have known sooner I would have preregistered!  What really gets me is that I only decided to go because I've never been to a con 'cause I hate roadtrips, this was a golden op. for me!  I wish they would have updated the website cause I checked it before I left, I bet I looked pretty darn stupid getting turned away.

They had a yaoi kissing booth?  That's not my style, but if they had like a bunnygirl booth I would have stormed the place!

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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2004, 09:14:15 am »
Yeah, Wish I Had Known Sooner!

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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2004, 10:11:26 am »
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They had a yaoi kissing booth?  That's not my style, but if they had like a bunnygirl booth I would have stormed the place!

Well it wasn't an official Yaoi booth >.> it started as a Glomp line.  Then it turned into a wild Yaoi/Normal Kissing/Glomping booth.  It was pretty cool...seeing as every time I had to kiss a guy the croud just went nuts.  I guess it's one of those things that makes life so much more fun at a CON.  and seeing as it was my FIRST con ever...I think I had a good EXP
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2004, 01:44:20 pm »
Yeah, I couldn't get in either, but I look at it in a fairly positive light: what this means is that the convention did so well for attendance, they went beyond their own hopeful expectations, and will most likely be getting a bigger place next year, with even more going on. That'll rock!

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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2004, 05:33:21 pm »
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Yes. my friend and I were not able to get in.


And  we were pissed off quite a bit.


Ya know, kumoricon i feel, was just rather poorly managed. Pre-registration prices for example-there was a reason I didn't pre-register back in July, because I only wanted to go one day. Had i know that the 20 dollars would have been the price for one day i would have done so, but the actual price for things didn't come around until quite a long time. Why would I want to pay 35 dollars to go three days when I just want to go one? And then of course, the fact that it's held at the marriot which has limited compacity as it is and isn't the best place to hold this kind of stuff. Not to mention the website was hardly ever updated. Course this is your guy's second year  but...yeesh. Keep this in mind next year...

It really pisses people off when they come into Portland from afar for a day and find out they just wasted their time and were punished for not pre-registering and paying extra money for days they didn't, or couldn't, be there.

Sorry, but Sakuracon am goal now.


Okay, I have just arrived home from one of the best conventions I have ever been to. Sure, you may have only wanted to go one day, but it costs money to run a convention, and Kumoricon was on a budget. They may have had limited space, but it was still fun. Don't knock them down because you don't want to pay $35 dollars for one day at a convention. It can cost more for one day at other cons, and it's more than that for one day at Sakuracon. You really missed out on a good convention and even if you don't want to pay the fee for the whole weekend, you might as well do that or as in your case, not get in at all.

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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2004, 08:09:11 pm »
GLOMP LINE....
Let's have that again next year!! Because I missed it...
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2004, 08:47:07 pm »
As a matter of fact Oubeji I have some pics of the 4 person tackle glomp that result of me and the Blacksmith ^_^ I was the Lonely Bishie Catboy Ninja and we all busted out that whole glomp line. Also might I add we had it today(monday) as well, AND it will be returning next year WITH a t-shirt ninja recruit booth complete with OFFICAL shirts. If you would like a picture of what resulted of the 4 person tackle glomp, or a picture of the very BEGINNING of the glomp line(starting with me and 2 cat girl friends of mine) don't hesitate to PM me =) And might I add I'm terrible sorry for all those who didn't get in, that's horrible  :cry:  But there's always next year...and might I add I will definatly be pre-reging.
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2004, 09:14:04 pm »
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Sorry to hear about those who didn't get in. That must of Stunk like really badly >.< I can tell you one thing that DID Happen though. Yaoi kissing booths... yeah maybe if you come Monday...You can hop in if you are into that. *looks arround at every one who he Kissed* YES I WAS THAT GUY!!!!

Is that what happend at night time Sunday?

We at the Fanfic Bedtime Storys where wondering what was with all the yelling and scraming and picture taking and etc etc.

We had to close the doors it was THAT loud.

That woulda been funny to see though, I knew I should checked out what was going on, oh well though.

As for the con, as it is my FIRST con, I had a great time.

Sure, some things weren't perfect, nothing is ever perfect, its Murphys law ya know?

I do feel sad for those that couldn't get in. One reason I did pay the price to stay at the hotel was to insure that I could get in. I went through alot to go to the con, including pawning my Xbox PS2 and games, and also postponing a doctor visit. Still, I had a great time, and I won't ever regret it.

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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2004, 11:08:07 pm »
Me and 5 other friends showed up Sunday and Monday both times we couldn't get in. :(

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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2004, 11:31:27 pm »
wooh, official shirts??!?
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2004, 09:08:14 pm »
Hi, I'm Peter Verrey, Programming Director for Kumoricon 2004, and the first thing I want to say is how genuinely unhappy we are that all of you couldn't get in, especially those who planned so long to come.

I agree with you guys, our website information was sorely lacking, and I sincerely apologize for that. We are working on obtaining a full-time webmaster for the coming year, so if you know someone who is capable of providing web solutions, please let us know.

Regarding the people who were bummed that they were turned away, I'm sorry we weren't able to explain that if you volunteered enough hours we could have let you in.  I'll explain a little later why we made that decision.

Now, regarding the attendance cap specifically, let me tell you our side of the story. Last year we attracted only about 4-500 people, so we couldn't in good faith plan for more than double that amount this year. As it was, our numbers were around TRIPLE that amount (1251 to be more exact), and it would have been even larger had we not turned people away. The problem is that if we planned for 2000 people and only 600 people showed up we would have lost tens of thousands of dollars and never been able to hold a convention again. Seriously, almost all of us are poor college students, and would not be able to pay back  that kind of money.

Also, the only way we can run the con is if people volunteer to be staff. If we don't have enough staff, we can't let too many people in because there would be noone to help them. And let me tell you, we did NOT have enough staff. As it was, almost every staff member worked 19 hours a day, and that almost didn't make it (we have to thank the amazingly polite and wonderful con goers that this worked at all!) A convention like ours is one that is for the people, and by the people, so if people don't volunteer, the convention suffers greatly. (That should explain why we made that volunteer offer to some people in the registration line)

I sincerely hope we have enough space and volunteers to let everyone in next year. We are working hard to find larger space (you would be surprised how difficult that can be!), and we can only pray that enough people decide to help us put it together.

Anyway, thanks for voicing your concerns.
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2004, 09:55:59 pm »
Peter (modab) pretty much covered the situation from our end, but I'd just like throw in my thoughts:

Like Peter, I'm *really* sorry that we had to turn people away. That has got to be one of the worst parts of the con for me.

We got something on the order of 450 preregs for the con. Based on last year, and the experiences of other conventions, we figured 800 people would show up. We thought we'd be safe if we planned for a max of 1000 people. That was actually our original cap, but something that we changed as people started flowing in. We let in as many people as we felt we could, but it got to the point where our staff were stretched to the limit. Also the hallways were getting crowded such that too many more people and it would have become dangerous.

We mention a lack of staff a few times. None of us are getting paid (in fact everyone pays to get in, even me). We can't just hire and train more people on the spot to deal with increased demand. The same way, we can't magically create more space.

If I could magically create anything, I would have gotten us another four elevators :) (Which I'm also sorry about, but unfortunatly there's not too much we could have done about that problem.)

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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2004, 11:52:00 pm »
Yes, I regret having to cap the Con as well, but it was more than just staff issues.  It honestly came down to the point where it was a safety issue.

Had we let anymore people in, it would have been dangerous, and no one ever wants anyone hurt at a Con.
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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2004, 12:29:57 am »
I fully refer to PrincessFrodo, Procyon, and modab for their responses, since they know more and can say it much better than I.

As a fellow con-goer and student, however, I have to give some general advice: You should never come out of town from over an hour's drive away to a convention without first pre-registering. The amount of money you save by planning on going for one day instead of pre-registering usually isn't any more than the amount you would spend on gas for a round trip by car.

KumoriCon's registration prices are fairly low for a 3-day con. They are even lower if you plan ahead. Many of you didn't hear about this con until late in the year, or even the Friday of the con if you read the Oregonian, but our initial pre-reg price was $25 for all three days, if I remember correctly. (sidenote: dangit...getting press coverage is great, but sometimes it seems that they always wait until the last minute!!)

If you go to Sakura Con next year, don't expect to save any money compared to KumoriCon unless you live in Seattle. And pre-register now, preferably. I'm not trying to put down Sakura Con at all (in fact, I would really like to go next year myself), but they are a higher-budget con with attendance numbers so large that you need to plan months in advance to guarantee a good hotel room and registration.
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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2004, 01:33:59 am »
I was beginning to wonder if we would have met Sakura Con's numbers if people hadn't been turned away.  All we know about are the people that physically made it as far as the registration desk.

There were posts in the forums on day one once we sold out of three day passes, so who knows how many people read that and didn't come.  Also, who knows how many people heard from the people that had just come from registration that the con was full and those people never even bothered to come downstairs?  There is also the possibility of hotel staff passing on this information to some as they got near the doors.

We do not have an accurate method of telling how many people we realy turned away, but I'd be willing to bet that it's at least double the number we personally told.
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2004, 03:21:37 am »
Well, I'm sure Sakura Con turns away hundreds of people every day of the weekend as well, but you would know much better than I, having been on staff several times before and also a much more frequent poster on the forums.

Offhand, do you remember what Sakura Con's actual attendance numbers were this year, for comparison's sake? Seems I forgot.

Addendum:

By the way, I just noticed that one of the complaints was that we didn't release the prices until late. Well, to tell you exactly what was going on in those two or three meetings several months ago, all of us wanted to make the prices low and affordable. But that meant that the increments between the various ways to register couldn't be very large.

With small increments, we instead had the problem of not motivating people to pre-register, which would lead to the same surprise at the door we did end up with, but not enough money to pay for enough events to entertain you all.

The short answer is that one-day passes are largely expected to be used after 3-day passes are sold out. Meaning, as a last resort. Pre-registration at Sakura Con is also 5 dollars more than a one-day pass bought on-site, though I understand that first-time con-goers shouldn't be expected to research other con sites.
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2004, 04:45:46 am »
reg was maxed at like 1:30 pm..I got to portland, after spending a ton to get my car back and running(nail through front tire, mechanic lost my tire lock system key, so I had to cut of the lock system, fix tire, & switch my insurance companies so I coudl afford to go.) only to pay another $41 for unexpected parking fees, then to hear "reg is closed" Its a good thing we were able to get it, cuz....I would've been hella pissed otherwise.  I don't think  my badge was even checked once though.  I would have been HELLA ticked though after spending that much money on costumes, car, and travel costs in general, if I didn;t get in.  Luckily.  People rock.  For those that didn't get in.  You should learn to be more devious...*coughifallelsefailskinkoscoughcough*
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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2004, 09:16:13 am »
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Well, I'm sure Sakura Con turns away hundreds of people every day of the weekend as well, but you would know much better than I, having been on staff several times before and also a much more frequent poster on the forums.


Sakura 2004 was the first year at the Hilton that they had to turn a few people away.

They hadn't had to turn people away since 99 or 00, but that was two hotels ago.

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Sakura-Con 2004
Attendees: 4425
(Press, Exhibitors and Guests): 350
Total Attendance: 4775

Sakura-Con 2003
Total attendees = 3020
Total number of registered staff= 144

Sakura-Con 2002
2328 total attendees

Sakura-Con 2001
1519 total attendees

Sakuracon 2000
total attendees: 862

Baka-Con 1998  (former Sakura name)
Total Attendees: 541

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Total attendees: 264
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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2004, 10:29:20 am »
In addition, allow me to say that those of us at registration really tried EVERYTHING to get people in the doors to the convention even when it was closed.  Nobody wanted to turn people away, and truth be told, until I knew about the article in the Oregonian, I didn't expect to have to turn anyone away.  My jaw about hit the floor when I received word I couldn't let new registrations in, and even then I would sit at the desk and agonize over every time someone would plead with me to allow them to register.  You do not know what pain is until you see the look on a 7-year-old's face as they sliently try to beg you to let them in when you tell their parents no, particularly when you're already emotionally exhausted from doing that God-knows-how-many times already.

I'll never be able to apologize enough to everyone who couldn't get in, and I know none of us wanted to have to cap registration, but we simply didn't have the resources to take any more than we did.  I sincerely hope that every person who was turned away this year will be able to attend unhindered next year, as well as everyone else who was able to come (obviously).  And despite how tired or drained I was behind that counter, every time I was able to let someone in for whatever reason, the appreciation received did make it worth it.

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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2004, 10:55:03 am »
Hey Kumoricon fans,

I suppose this should be yet another thing added to the list and be anticipated by the staff next year...
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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2004, 12:27:23 pm »
what should be anticipated?
hindsight is always 20/20 vision, but if prereg is only at 250 three weeks before the con, how can we expect 1400 people to show up? If I talked to any professional convention manager if we should spend money as if 1400 people were going to show up, they would say I would go bankrupt, without reserve. I don't think any convention has EVER tripled attendance over one year, sorry to say.
I can't see how we could have handled things any better in that regard, and if you think we could have, I'd be delighted to learn how.
That said, I'm still incredibly sorry for people who were on the hard edge of our popularity and couldn't get in.
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« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2004, 01:39:31 pm »
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As a fellow con-goer and student, however, I have to give some general advice: You should never come out of town from over an hour's drive away to a convention without first pre-registering. The amount of money you save by planning on going for one day instead of pre-registering usually isn't any more than the amount you would spend on gas for a round trip by car.

KumoriCon's registration prices are fairly low for a 3-day con. They are even lower if you plan ahead. Many of you didn't hear about this con until late in the year, or even the Friday of the con if you read the Oregonian, but our initial pre-reg price was $25 for all three days, if I remember correctly. (sidenote: dangit...getting press coverage is great, but sometimes it seems that they always wait until the last minute!!)

If you go to Sakura Con next year, don't expect to save any money compared to KumoriCon unless you live in Seattle. And pre-register now, preferably. I'm not trying to put down Sakura Con at all (in fact, I would really like to go next year myself), but they are a higher-budget con with attendance numbers so large that you need to plan months in advance to guarantee a good hotel room and registration.


I completly agree with these sentiments. You know what happened at Kumoricon is not a isolated incident. At the first year of Anime Boston they had to turn people away after 12 p.m. on the first day! Alot of people were turned away (Had they not do a cut off they would of exceeded 5,000 people) many of whom drove for several hours!

While I understand the frustration of not getting in... Please keep in mind the issue of crowd control, saftey and comfort. How much fun would the con be if 1,500 people were there? Instead of some people complaining about not getting in we would have everyone comlplaing about how bad the con was, injuries occuring, H.O.B.O. encounters, hotel problems (you think the elevators were slow with 800 attendees imagine what would happen with 1,500) and just the problems that come up with a lack of space. For their second year Anime Boston laid down a strict attendance cap of 3,250 they sold out during pre-regisitration. While some howled about that it made the overall con experience outstanding for all attendees.

I know its easy to say: "Well anime is really big...You should have prepared for 3,000 people..." (Mind you there were only 450 people pre-reg'ed) Well who is going to foot the bill for that. To reserve that kinda of space requires money. Who's going to foot the bill to secure that space.(up front costs = $$$$$)   So do you have $60 USD pre-reg (then people complain about cost) or 200 USD per night hotel rooms...(then people complain about cost again!) or charge the dealers more thier space (thus less dealers and people compalin about that.)

And what happens when you only have 600 show up. The con is on the line to make up the costs (which are substanial) thus you do not have a con for next year. If that were to occur would you write a check to cover the difference?

The Marriot is a good venue. If the con is held there again they could esaily get more space and thus more people. However economic realities require that Kumoricon do what is best for all con-goers.

A few ideas:

1. Pre-Regisiter and Pre-Register Early! Yep even if you plan on going only one day its good to that since you will have the flexibilty to pick which day you want to attend. Also it gives you flexablity incase of last mintue schedule changes and the eailer you pre-register the cheaper it is.

2.Get Involved Help out with the con. Security, Planning, Events yeah putting on a con is alot of work. Having a 5 extra security people could mean a extra 100 peoople to get in. Got complaints? Go to the planning meetings and offer a solution.

Be Patient anf Follow the Rules Lets take elevators... People were overloading the elevators thus they would slowdown or malifunction. Yeah it would sometimes take me 20 minutes to get to the third floor but I simply waited... Some seemed perturbed by the 8 people per elevator car rule frankly it was a good move. I remeber one time I had to pass on 4 cars to get back down stairs yeah it wasnt the best situtation, however getting stuck in a elevator, with 10 people for a hour, is much worse.


The convention was well run as could be. I dont think anyone could of anticipated the turnout.

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What I meant was...
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2004, 04:06:21 pm »
Hey Kumoricon fans,

What I meant was I hope we don't anticipate too much for Kumoricon 2005 and we end up with needless registration extras, for example, everything that was handed to people when they entered the convention, despite having preregistered or not.

However, perhaps we can hope to beat this years numbers...
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