Author Topic: NO METAL PROPS OR AIRSOFT GUNS ALLOWED!! (Read 22639 times)

EcchiSpice · « **on:** August 29, 2006, 07:33:00 am »

I am sorry in advance - the hotel dropped this bomb on us at the general meeting.

Due to negotiations with hotel security, Kumoricon policy must be ammended as follows:

Absolutely no metal props will be allowed within Kumoricon convention space. This includes but is not limited to prop swords and stage steel.

**EDIT** Foil props may be allowed on a case by case basis. This policy does NOT apply to accesories made of metal, such as jewelry or Naruto headbands.

No masks or other items which obscure an attendees face from view may be worm while in the corridors and common areas of the hotel.

**EDIT**
After talking with the hotel, the concensus is that if hotel security asks you to remove your mask, then please do so. They mainly want to be able to see people's faces when they are in the main lobby. When you're downstairs, or by the ballrooms, you shouldn't need to worry about the mask issue.

No airsoft guns will be permitted. Plastic toy guns are acceptable, if not designed to fire a projectile. Guns must be obvious fakes at a distance of ten feet.

**EDIT** If your non-airsoft toy guns look real from ten feet, talk to the Yojimbo about ways to make the gun acceptable. (You may end up with 50 zip ties on it, but hey, its there.)

As always, props cannot be brandished in any way. Only when posing for a still photo may props be held in any manner that could be deamed threatening.

The staff of Kumoricon entends our apologies to anyone adversely affected by this policy change. If you have any questions, please ask at peacebonding when you pick up your badge at con, or respond to this thread.

Please feel free to express your feelings here, but do not argue with the Yojimbo at con. They don't like this any more than you do.

Ronime · « **Reply #1 on:** August 29, 2006, 08:53:22 am »

Wow, the hotel is more strict then actual state rules... at least you can carry a sword in public as long as its not consealed but sheathed...

this really hurts with a lot of costumes ^^;

Tinkeu · « **Reply #2 on:** August 29, 2006, 09:20:16 am »

I have a claw made out of thick foil... Will I not be able to wear that??? It's really not that durable anyway and the only person it will be hurting is me as I finish it.... *crosses fingers* It's craft metal really... you can cut it with scissors.....>_<

JimmyDarkside · « **Reply #3 on:** August 29, 2006, 09:59:45 am »

So.... a big shovel is out of the question then... TT__TT This is teh lame. Seriously.

Irate Beldam · « **Reply #4 on:** August 29, 2006, 10:24:16 am »

I can understand the guns needing to look fake thing, but...if they look obviously fake from ten feet, doesn't that basically mean you have to make an uber shiotty prop? :?

...And what's with the mask thing? I don't even understand that.

Omg. I can't see your eyes. YOU'RE HIDING A KNIFE IN THERE, I KNOW IT!

... :?

{ Because we all know the staff needs to see our faces. They must be looking for convicted fellons.

}

Saeriously, masks?
Wtf. :/[/size]

kylite · « **Reply #5 on:** August 29, 2006, 10:30:57 am »

my guess in regards to masks is the whole terrorist threat thing, everyones up in arms over this and the effect is it ruins a bit of fun for alot of people.

Please understand that this is the hotels ruling and not the cons. We feel just as bad about it as you do.

Irate Beldam · « **Reply #6 on:** August 29, 2006, 10:57:02 am »

Oh, of course.

I'm not even mad.

All it means it 50$ less dollars I have to spend on a mask I'll use once. XD

It's just the whole principle behind covering one's face that is precieved as a threat that confuses me. XD

It's kind of relative to the individual whether they feel threatened not seeing someone else's face, so them saying it's not okay is kind of...well, interesting, to say the least.[/size]

YariChuu · « **Reply #7 on:** August 29, 2006, 11:08:47 am »

You can't obscure your face? Hurr...My costume involves a lacy black veil. It does blurr my features and partially conceal my face, but it's not like opaque. What're the judges rulings on that?

Panda · « **Reply #8 on:** August 29, 2006, 11:15:04 am »

I think we all know it's not the con but the hotel making this rule. Unfortunately the con staff are the ones who will have to deal/listen to the unhappy cosplayers. Don't worry staffers, we love you! We just need to vent our frustrations. *hugs*

I just feel really bad for those fursuiters who spend hours working on a mascot costume to only find out the hotel made this rule. That really sucks. I just glad I didn't plan on wearing my Katamari Damacy costume for Kumoricon.

Not to mention all the amazing props we'll never see...it's very sad.

EcchiSpice · « **Reply #9 on:** August 29, 2006, 11:34:12 am »

You can wear masks on stage, during cosplay judging, and in any of the events room. (If your watching Karaoke, say.)

The claw thing MAY fly. We'll have to see it to be sure. (Post picure?)Shovels are out. Wood, plastic, balsa, etc, are all okay.

Vent away, my friends.

Irate Beldam · « **Reply #10 on:** August 29, 2006, 11:34:52 am »

Quote from: "YariChuu"

You can't obscure your face? Hurr...My costume involves a lacy black veil. It does blurr my features and partially conceal my face, but it's not like opaque. What're the judges rulings on that?

Hey, what if someone was from India and the women need to hide their faces? :/

Isn't that like. Racial discrimination? D:/[/size]

valliegirl · « **Reply #11 on:** August 29, 2006, 11:50:03 am »

While I'm not effected, I can definitely feel the pain of the cosplayers. I can also understand why the hotel is making these regulations, but I definitely think it's extreme.

I definitely feel bad for the Yojimbo and the rest of us staff that will have to enforce this.

Please, con goers, be kind. ~_~

JimmyDarkside · « **Reply #12 on:** August 29, 2006, 12:28:56 pm »

Ya, cause terrorists totally set a high priority to destroying hotels filled with kids in costumes. :evil: And they use shovels to execute their dasterdly plans.

Trumby · « **Reply #13 on:** August 29, 2006, 12:48:11 pm »

Quote from: "Irate Beldam"

Quote from: "YariChuu"
You can't obscure your face? Hurr...My costume involves a lacy black veil. It does blurr my features and partially conceal my face, but it's not like opaque. What're the judges rulings on that?

Hey, what if someone was from India and the women need to hide their faces? :/

Isn't that like. Racial discrimination? D:/[/size]

If they were saying muslim women couldn't wear their head covers, then that would be discrimination. But I have a feeling that if there ARE any muslim women, I have a feeling they'd allow them to wear them. That's a WHOLE different story.

The metal thing is simple really, a lot of cons don't allow metal whatsoever, simply because metal is a lot more dangerous (whether sharp or not) than plastic, wood, cardboard, pvc, etc.

I don't like the rules anymore than you guys (and in fact I am having to make new props because of the metal rule), but it's not going to ruin the con for you (unless you're one of those mascot costumes, then you're screwed at least while walking around).

Amerithe · « **Reply #14 on:** August 29, 2006, 01:05:29 pm »

It would be most graciously appreciated if someone would construct a more detailed list of things that'd be unacceptable. I mean, where do they draw the line on jewlery and whatnot? I mean, it's a hairstick, you COULD kill someone with it, but it's not metal. What now? Um... I don't think that made too much sense, but then again I never really do... Oh, yeah, metal ornamentation in minor ways, ala jewlery. Like, are my earrings a threat? What about this ring? Don't make me spend three hours quizzing your staff on detailed intricacies, I'm very good at it.

JimmyDarkside · « **Reply #15 on:** August 29, 2006, 01:09:48 pm »

:O For toy guns that could maybe look real from 10 feet away, you should just put a stickey note on it with 'FAKE' in big letters. XD

BlackjackGabbiani · « **Reply #16 on:** August 29, 2006, 02:22:23 pm »

Are wooden props allowed? Quina's gotta have *something* kitchen-worthy...

Kouta · « **Reply #17 on:** August 29, 2006, 02:36:28 pm »

Also the title of this thread can be a bit misleading.
NO METAL PROPS, AIRSOFT ALLOWED!
It sounds like you cannot have metal props but airsoft is allowed.
Consider renaming to NO METAL PROPS, MASKS, OR AIRSOFT ALLOWED.
I suggest this for people that skim the forums before the con to make sure everything is set, but not read everything. This also adds masks to the thread title since that seems to be a common gripe in this thread.
This is just a little piece of my mind on what I thought when I read the title, which I may very well be the only one.
No metal can be pretty lame... but I have seen some people make some amazing stuff out of just cardboard like here http://forums.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=76828 :3
Good luck to everyone, hope this doesn't hinder too much in your cosplay.
Also, as one last note, will veils still be able to be worn?
I assume it would be on how opaque they are, but still going to ask anyways.
Thanks~

kylite · « **Reply #18 on:** August 29, 2006, 02:37:26 pm »

heh heh *looks around* ummm, i think I hear a con-goer in need of help. *runs off quickly*

QElderHell · « **Reply #19 on:** August 29, 2006, 02:53:09 pm »

So im guessing my black mage costume is out, as i have a thick black veil covering my face?

BlackjackGabbiani · « **Reply #20 on:** August 29, 2006, 02:55:32 pm »

A friend of mine wants to know if cardboard covered in aluminum foil is allowed. (for Winry's wrench)

Antares · « **Reply #21 on:** August 29, 2006, 03:13:54 pm »

Quote from: "JimmyDarkside"

Ya, cause terrorists totally set a high priority to destroying hotels filled with kids in costumes. :evil: And they use shovels to execute their dasterdly plans.

LOL

Not berry nice of the hotel to wait until now to spring this on us :-( If we had known ahead of time (especially since some other cons don't allow steel) we could have had rules in place and posted sooner as to what counts as metal / weapons (forks? claws? tin foil anything???)

The weapon's stuff I can at least understand - the mask stuff not so much. Does this meen we finally get to see Kakashi's face?

anime_fan810808 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 29, 2006, 03:42:52 pm »

I guess all the Anbu cosplayers will be showing their faces. Man....what a bomb at such a bad time.

Will spiked bracelets still be allowed?

maetel · « **Reply #23 on:** August 29, 2006, 03:48:27 pm »

masks can be a big liability problem too~
example: cosplayer is wearing mask, thus cannot see, so he trips down the stairs and sues the hotel.

these rules are in place so the hotel won't get sued. please be kind and obey them.

(and don't whine so much. sheesh. it's ok to not walk around with a giant sword.)

oishiidesuyo · « **Reply #24 on:** August 29, 2006, 04:12:16 pm »

i'm a bit worried about those cosplayers who don't visit the website or forums - they might not know and have unpleasent news at the door...

antibishie · « **Reply #25 on:** August 29, 2006, 04:14:10 pm »

Quote from: "EcchiSpice"

No masks or other items which obscure an attendees face from view may be worn while in the corridors and common areas of the hotel.

I'm not quite clear on this... what areas are defined as the "common" areas of the hotel? If I wanted to take a picture with my costume outside while the mask is on would that be acceptable?

Bah. I'm trying to see if there is anyway to salvage a costume that I've been working on for a year now. It's almost enough to make me refund my room and just not go, though that would be stupid in the long run.

makichan · « **Reply #26 on:** August 29, 2006, 05:33:51 pm »

Are plastic weapons allowed? I used pvc tubing to make mine and it took forever to cut it and get it just right, without it being metal >.<

I just feel sorry for all of those tuxedo mask cosplayers. Their identities are no longer hidden V__V

anime_fan810808 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 29, 2006, 05:53:54 pm »

and what about a chain....a dog leash chain.....

Ronime · « **Reply #28 on:** August 29, 2006, 06:13:29 pm »

does a real wrench count? i dont see how that would be considered something to be banned...

*edit* how about metal props such as Ed's arm? I know some cosplayers actually have them made from metal...

Negima · « **Reply #29 on:** August 29, 2006, 06:51:46 pm »

None of this affects me at all but I have a question...

The rule about masks says you can't where them in the corridors and such. Can people still wear their costumes that have masks in other areas? And what about in the case that in a corridor someone puts on a mask temporarily for a photo?

Keenon Williams · « **Reply #30 on:** August 29, 2006, 07:47:42 pm »

So I can't bring my kunai? Awh. D=

Kimiski · « **Reply #31 on:** August 29, 2006, 08:18:36 pm »

:x UGH
Okay, this new rule might completely screw over my sisters WHOLE cosplay.
Does anyone remember the giant P-Chan from last year??
Well, shes going as another giant character like that. (Cant tell you who, she doesnt want n e one to know)
How can she wear her cospplay without the head?
Im not about to tell her she cant, shes already stresssing over getting other peoples cosplayes and everything before time. I dont wanna be the one to die.

Her last year:

This really is bull.
Some people have been working on their costumes for months! And FOUR DAYS before the con they decide to tell us this???

Zennus · « **Reply #32 on:** August 29, 2006, 08:20:11 pm »

AW....Bummer! That means I cant bring my spiffy Keyblade...since a small part is made of metal...

Anza · « **Reply #33 on:** August 29, 2006, 09:29:35 pm »

Quote from: "Zennus"

AW....Bummer! That means I cant bring my spiffy Keyblade...since a small part is made of metal...

I'm pretty sure they won't be THAT picky. It's one thing to tote around a metal sword. It's another thing to have a small charm or even jewelry which I'm pretty sure they WON'T care about.

Weapons are one thing... jewelry is another.

As for Ed's arm? if your really worried about it just keep it in your jacket unless for photos. Same goes for the masks. Just because they say you can't wear them around doesn't mean you can't pose with them or carry them. I'm almost certain that if they saw people taking pictures and once your done you just carry the mask around they won't be so antsy about it.

The rules are kind of lame in a way as I've had a few props of mine not be allowed into a con or questioned. EX: Offical Tiny Bee controllers. I was told they looked too real before. Also a kunai I made out of paperclay was mistaken for being metal (though it still baffles me as to how.)

Just use common sense when it comes to the masks and metal bits.

Antares · « **Reply #34 on:** August 29, 2006, 09:48:05 pm »

Kimiski - that is a "!$@*!" awesome costume - OMG! I can't wait to see what else your sister has cooked up - at least you can show off inside the rooms / panels / cosplay contest etc.

Kimiski · « **Reply #35 on:** August 29, 2006, 10:16:52 pm »

Quote from: "Antares"

Kimiski - that is a "!$@*!" awesome costume - OMG! I can't wait to see what else your sister has cooked up - at least you can show off inside the rooms / panels / cosplay contest etc.

We found a way around it.
Shes going to make the eyes ajustable so she can pull them up in the hotel, and pull them down for pics.
She says if anyone still gives her crao about it, shes going to point at her face and say "Can u see my face, huh huh?" Cause threw the eye holes her whole face is exposed. U just cant see her profile or back of her head. This years charatcer's eyes is closer together then last.

Squall · « **Reply #36 on:** August 29, 2006, 11:38:42 pm »

Quote from: "kylite"

my guess in regards to masks is the whole terrorist threat thing, everyones up in arms over this and the effect is it ruins a bit of fun for alot of people.

Please understand that this is the hotels ruling and not the cons. We feel just as bad about it as you do.

If this is true, the hotel has let terrorists win by showing their fear.

Squall · « **Reply #37 on:** August 29, 2006, 11:40:06 pm »

Quote from: "maetel"

masks can be a big liability problem too~
example: cosplayer is wearing mask, thus cannot see, so he trips down the stairs and sues the hotel.

these rules are in place so the hotel won't get sued. please be kind and obey them.

(and don't whine so much. sheesh. it's ok to not walk around with a giant sword.)

Agreed.....though I do think the mask rule goes a bit far, and isomething the hotel should have mentioned long ago, not a few days before the convention.

Flatline · « **Reply #38 on:** August 30, 2006, 12:40:56 am »

I was there at the meeting, and believe me, everyone was quite irate. This is the latest I heard about the mask thing. The worst part is that this was dropped on us this Sunday, so we had literally no time to negotiate. To everyone who has to ditch their props, please still come. We need you guys, and the con won't be the same without its beloved customers.

Dark-hobo · « **Reply #39 on:** August 30, 2006, 01:04:48 am »

Here is my interpretation of the stage steel thing. Stage steel is anything that is meant to represent a real steel weapon for theatrical reenactment. Thusw eds arm COULD be ok(bring it just in case). Jewelry definately is ok, people wear rings and necklaces all the time. I would assume foil covering wood is ok as it does not present the threat live/stage steel does. Be careful with that kimiski you definately want to be careful when skirting the edge so close like that. I would suggest keeping time with the mask on to a minimum even with your sisters modification. Yojimbo however will seem to be taping all gun imitations with orange tape on the tip. PLEASE do not remove this if you are taped. If you do for a photo please immediately replace it. This seemed to have been part of the agreement and brownie went over it breifly. Not sure if it will be happening.

On a side note... we have NOTHING and I mean absolutely NOTHING to do with what you have and do once you are outside or off hotel property. hell even in your own rooms we can't do anything as long it is not brought out into our domain.

If anyone as anything to refute in that please do as I do not want to mislead too much

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Eternal Yamcha · « **Reply #40 on:** August 30, 2006, 03:26:39 am »

I had to stop reading thoroughly through people's posts.

First off, I'm down right pissed about it. Springing it on us the last minute, not having any information about it until a week before an event that may very well have THOUSANDS of attendees is just completely ridiculous. Sure, blame can be put on the con for not knowing the hotel's corporate policy, but in a contract, that information should be put there, or the con should have been informed about where to find out the policy. That's just bad business on the hotel's side. It affects me, I'm probably not cosplaying, but I know people have worked hard on their costumes and all that jazz and have to scrap their costumes or re-work their costumes with how many days left? Exactly... It's the principle of the situation that I am irate about.

If the hotel didn't allow people to wear jewelry, they'd have been out of business before it opened. And I do believe the "common" areas are the areas that we don't have any rooms in/we don't dominate the floor... The lobby is probably a common area, so is the restaurant and I do believe the areas where guest rooms are. I could be wrong and verification/clarification would be very VERY nice.

This is just bad, I'm probably blowing it out of proportion, but this is just bad business ethics in my opinion. We are at fault here too, since we should have really known about this a long time ago, such as asking the question, or asking where we could find out about the ruling on our props.

Just follow the rules people, hopefully we'll have everything defined and clarified... Come and enjoy yourselves, it's still going to be KumoriCon after all.

Tinkeu · « **Reply #41 on:** August 30, 2006, 08:27:24 am »

I'm just really worried about not being able to wear my claw... I put a lot of work into it and it's kind of a trademark thing, like with Ed's arm... I took a couple pictures to post... I seriously spent like four days working on it... oh and I also have to put the foil on my shoes as well......>.<

*sigh*

Here's the pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/tinkeu/cosplay/claw1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/tinkeu/cosplay/claw2.jpg

And here's a picture of my character:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/tinkeu/cosplay/VincentValentineart.jpg[/u]

This is a real bummer for everyone... I'm downright depressed..... XP

Trumby · « **Reply #42 on:** August 30, 2006, 08:45:01 am »

Ohh, it's just a Vincent claw..to be honest, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't allow that.

Tinkeu · « **Reply #43 on:** August 30, 2006, 08:48:59 am »

Really!? ^_^ Hopefully you're right then!

*glomps Trumby* You have no idea how that simple sentence just lifted my mood^^

Antares · « **Reply #44 on:** August 30, 2006, 09:00:18 am »

Quote from: "Dark-hobo"

...Thus Ed's arm COULD be ok(bring it just in case).

That would be what I would do - - there will be a lot of people who don't know about this who bring their props and will be asked to keep them in their rooms / in their cars. And, I do believe as long as we are not brawling in the streets, we should be able to find a place around the area to take photos legally.

P.S. Tinkeu - your claw is perfect!!! Good photos too.

Tinkeu · « **Reply #45 on:** August 30, 2006, 09:02:37 am »

*blushes* why thanks... I spent a lot of time on it (and cut myself a lot) ...It's nice to get a compliment^^;;;

Lin · « **Reply #46 on:** August 30, 2006, 09:21:15 am »

Aww poor {m} she loves her Kakashi mask! Oh well!*shrugs* We will work around this!

Tinkeu · « **Reply #47 on:** August 30, 2006, 09:28:32 am »

I think the mask rule is even worse than the metal/sword thing >.< Because masks are usually more part of the outfit than anything.... *pats {m}* I have a friend with a mask as part of the outfit as well... It really is just something we have to work around....

EcchiSpice · « **Reply #48 on:** August 30, 2006, 10:25:07 am »

Masks - Yes you can wear them while getting a photo snapped.
Bring your masks, wear them, just not when you are moving around in a corridor, hallway, or lobby.

Veils are fine as long as you can see where you are going.

Common areas means anything not in a room ie hallways, lobby.

Out of doors is outside convention space, and therefore is not affected by this policy.

Other materials - Plastic, wood, cardboard, etc. are all fine. Anything that would collapse when hit (ie aluminum foil or craft foil) are not counted as metal props, and are also fine.

Ed's arm is okay. I look forward to seeing it.

If anyone has a questionable prop, please bring it, and let the Yojimbo see it. We're willing to check the items firsthand.

As for asking this question, Yamcha, don't think that we staff are so STUPID as to not ask if cosplay and all its splendor are allowed when we write the contracts. Weapons policy was asked repeatedly from the start, as was meeting with the head of security. (Something which the hotel took 3 months to agree with.) Only when we finally met him, did metal weapons become an issue. This just happened to be a week before the con. The HOTEL did not know its own weapons policy, and in fact, had to contact its corporate office this Monday to be sure.

We've done our best to inform not just the hotel, but the entirety of the Janzten Beach area what to expect. I personally walked the entire area to be sure of this. Sometimes, they just don't get it until you shove a boken under their noses.

Vondan · « **Reply #49 on:** August 30, 2006, 10:49:35 am »

what about the K shaped Throwing stars I made out of Brass and copper they could be worn on a chain around the neck like al sharptons Hubcap

QElderHell · « **Reply #50 on:** August 30, 2006, 11:22:34 am »

Opps double post...

QElderHell · « **Reply #51 on:** August 30, 2006, 11:25:05 am »

Quote from: "EcchiSpice"

Masks - Yes you can wear them while getting a photo snapped.
Bring your masks, wear them, just not when you are moving around in a corridor, hallway, or lobby.

Veils are fine as long as you can see where you are going.

Common areas means anything not in a room ie hallways, lobby.

Out of doors is outside convention space, and therefore is not affected by this policy.

Other materials - Plastic, wood, cardboard, etc. are all fine. Anything that would collapse when hit (ie aluminum foil or craft foil) are not counted as metal props, and are also fine.

Ed's arm is okay. I look forward to seeing it.

If anyone has a questionable prop, please bring it, and let the Yojimbo see it. We're willing to check the items firsthand.

With my veil i can see perfectly fine, but its really thick so that, with it tight agianst my face, people cant discern my features at all, save the glowing eyes. Is that still legit?

sk_chan · « **Reply #52 on:** August 30, 2006, 02:55:46 pm »

What about Zabuza from Naruto?

http://www.narutoplace.com/images/2005/11/wallpapers/haku-zabuza-thumb.jpg

My brother (who's a first-time anime con-goer) will be cosplaying him with a cardboard sword.

Looking at the picture, I don't know if you'd count it as a "mask"...it doesn't even go over his eyes.

leashy · « **Reply #53 on:** August 30, 2006, 04:31:37 pm »

Alright guys let's break out the cardboard and tin foil, we'll do this the old fashioned way!

But thank you for the heads up. I let Rin Rin know about the mask thing so that she can make an easy way to show her face in the hallways

makichan · « **Reply #54 on:** August 30, 2006, 05:03:06 pm »

Quote from: "EcchiSpice"

Masks - Yes you can wear them while getting a photo snapped.
Bring your masks, wear them, just not when you are moving around in a corridor, hallway, or lobby.

Veils are fine as long as you can see where you are going.

Common areas means anything not in a room ie hallways, lobby.

Out of doors is outside convention space, and therefore is not affected by this policy.

Other materials - Plastic, wood, cardboard, etc. are all fine. Anything that would collapse when hit (ie aluminum foil or craft foil) are not counted as metal props, and are also fine.

Ed's arm is okay. I look forward to seeing it.

If anyone has a questionable prop, please bring it, and let the Yojimbo see it. We're willing to check the items firsthand.

As for asking this question, Yamcha, don't think that we staff are so STUPID as to not ask if cosplay and all its splendor are allowed when we write the contracts. Weapons policy was asked repeatedly from the start, as was meeting with the head of security. (Something which the hotel took 3 months to agree with.) Only when we finally met him, did metal weapons become an issue. This just happened to be a week before the con. The HOTEL did not know its own weapons policy, and in fact, had to contact its corporate office this Monday to be sure.

We've done our best to inform not just the hotel, but the entirety of the Janzten Beach area what to expect. I personally walked the entire area to be sure of this. Sometimes, they just don't get it until you shove a boken under their noses.

I'm so glad I used plastic rather than metal 0_o

@tinkeu
AWESOME JOB!!!! xD

Ruk · « **Reply #55 on:** August 30, 2006, 05:39:16 pm »

(ok i hope someone didnt ask this already but i dont feel like searching thru all those posts)

But what if you're costume is rather spikey and protruding? Does that count as a 'weapon' or threatening? And would that be peace bonded?

Sasu-kitty · « **Reply #56 on:** August 30, 2006, 05:50:02 pm »

About swords... I just bought one, and I may be able to get the blade removed. If so, can I do that and just bring the hilt and sheath? The sheath is wood, just with little metal pieces for decoration on the ends.

That would be awesome if I could.

NightBlade · « **Reply #57 on:** August 30, 2006, 06:29:13 pm »

Oo; do that to a sword......*faints*

Tinkeu · « **Reply #58 on:** August 30, 2006, 06:30:56 pm »

Quote from: "makichan"

@tinkeu
AWESOME JOB!!!! xD

Arigatou! ^_^ Hehe, but you're one of the one's I'm really looking forward to seeing^^

Kitsu-kun · « **Reply #59 on:** August 30, 2006, 07:02:02 pm »

Um.... I have a keyblade, and it's made out of birch and PVC, but it has a chain on it. Is that ok?

the_wind_the_sea · « **Reply #60 on:** August 30, 2006, 07:15:13 pm »

That means my friend's six foot Sailor Saturn Galive is out correct? *sighs* This is just going to blow over so well with her. X.x Ugh.. I mean, it's part of the whole costume. But, it's obviously not sharp.

NightBlade · « **Reply #61 on:** August 30, 2006, 07:20:25 pm »

well, you can bring it for inspection *shrugs*

Trumby · « **Reply #62 on:** August 30, 2006, 08:52:58 pm »

Quote from: "the_wind_the_sea"

That means my friend's six foot Sailor Saturn Galive is out correct? *sighs* This is just going to blow over so well with her. X.x Ugh.. I mean, it's part of the whole costume. But, it's obviously not sharp.

If it's metal..sadly, yes.

Ruk: that'd probably have to be an at con judgment, unless you could show pics.

Sasu: Already helped you, but for the rest of them, I don't see why it wouldn't be allowed.

Kitsu: Helped you as well, I don't see why a chain being attached would make it not allowed..but like I told sasu, I'm not 100% sure on that.

Flatline · « **Reply #63 on:** August 30, 2006, 09:27:28 pm »

Yes, it's fine. They mean metal blades or major materials. Chains, charms, jewelry, etc. is fine.

makichan · « **Reply #64 on:** August 30, 2006, 09:50:51 pm »

Quote from: "Tinkeu"

Quote from: "makichan"

@tinkeu
AWESOME JOB!!!! xD

Arigatou! ^_^ Hehe, but you're one of the one's I'm really looking forward to seeing^^

who, mwah? xD
ahaha! I look forward to seeing you too!!!

Vondan · « **Reply #65 on:** August 30, 2006, 09:53:21 pm »

I was told that if I actually cosplayd as an old School character from the anime of my youth I'd get props, does this mean my props wont be metal.

NarutoNoJutsu · « **Reply #66 on:** August 30, 2006, 11:09:18 pm »

I have sheet metal wings-- I suppose those are a no go too?

Aurora · « **Reply #67 on:** August 31, 2006, 12:07:19 am »

What about metal Naruto headbands? Is that okay?

And Kakashi, and some other ninjas, they'll have to show their faces when moving around in the hallway and stuff?

anime_fan810808 · « **Reply #68 on:** August 31, 2006, 12:25:30 am »

Quote from: "Vondan"

I was told that if I actually cosplayd as an old School character from the anime of my youth I'd get props, does this mean my props wont be metal.

No metal props for you. You'll have to settle for lace ones instead.

Irate Beldam · « **Reply #69 on:** August 31, 2006, 02:05:40 am »

Quote from: "anime_fan810808"

Quote from: "Vondan"
I was told that if I actually cosplayd as an old School character from the anime of my youth I'd get props, does this mean my props wont be metal.

No metal props for you. You'll have to settle for lace ones instead.

Oooh, laaace~~ <333

*Too tired to make cohearant response.*

:B

Eternal Yamcha · « **Reply #70 on:** August 31, 2006, 03:50:43 am »

EchhiSpice - I kind of figured that you guys did ask the question... But I didn't know the whole situation and decided to "place blame" on both parties since I didn't know what really went down... I apologize if I made you or anyone upset by saying that, it's just my tendancy to consider multiple possibilities which is a bit of a personality quark of mine.

Now that I've learned it's the hotel's "fault," I'll retract my statement about the con not asking the question and just shake my head that the hotel didn't know their own policy and took as long as they did to bother figuring it out for a client... Which is bad in my opinion.

Oh and considerable thanks for posting the information that you did, it's helped clarify things for me and other people.

Shiv · « **Reply #71 on:** August 31, 2006, 04:15:36 am »

I suppose I should pay attention to this thread on a more regular basis, eh? >_>

@Ruk: If your costume has a good deal of spikey and/or dangerous protrusions you'll definately want to have it checked out at the convention. If it does have the potential to harm someone I would recommend covering the points, even if you think it's unlikely, and just taking off the coverings for photos. I know it's easy to accidentally hit people with props/costumes in such crowded situations (try a Cross Punisher!), so it never hurts to be safe!

@Aurora: Judging from the ruling as worded that may be a subject for debate if it's just a mouth-covering style mask, but probably not a big issue. It seems the main problem the hotel has with it is the liability of vision reduction while moving and complete obscuration of the face. If it's a problem I'm sure a yojimbo will (kindly) ask you to reveal your ninja selves, but feel free to don the mask during a photo op! (Just don't move, heh)

(Note: I am not an official source, just a yojimbo offering my thoughts on the rules. If anyone who knows better knows I am wrong PLEASE correct me!)

Washougal_Otaku · « **Reply #72 on:** August 31, 2006, 08:40:25 am »

Quote from: "kylite"

my guess in regards to masks is the whole terrorist threat thing, everyones up in arms over this and the effect is it ruins a bit of fun for alot of people.

Please understand that this is the hotels ruling and not the cons. We feel just as bad about it as you do.

I have been copying the info posted on the front page of the website onto my club's forum for a while now, including these new rules. About half of my friends were going to wear some sort of a mask, and are now upset about this desicion. One of them has even stated that this was probably not the best hotel to have the con at.

Tinkeu · « **Reply #73 on:** August 31, 2006, 08:44:11 am »

Yeah, but it's not like they exactly knew about this policy until Monday... Can't really change it then.... Well, Live and Learn I suppose, I suess it's just something to take into consideration next year when choosing the place....

Ronime · « **Reply #74 on:** August 31, 2006, 09:35:13 am »

back to another stupid question ^^;

Miroku's staff, its a wood pole, with a metal ring on the top with metal loops. should i just bring it and OK it with staff?

ALSO, for further cons... convention centers are far more lax when it comes to props and such, maybe we can invest in the convention center up in portland, it may come in handy for us.

Antares · « **Reply #75 on:** August 31, 2006, 10:19:27 am »

Quote from: "Washougal_Otaku"

Quote from: "kylite"
my guess in regards to masks is the whole terrorist threat thing, everyones up in arms over this and the effect is it ruins a bit of fun for alot of people.

Please understand that this is the hotels ruling and not the cons. We feel just as bad about it as you do.

I have been copying the info posted on the front page of the website onto my club's forum for a while now, including these new rules. About half of my friends were going to wear some sort of a mask, and are now upset about this desicion. One of them has even stated that this was probably not the best hotel to have the con at.

What's your website club's forum? I know you said once but I forget

NightBlade · « **Reply #76 on:** August 31, 2006, 11:54:43 am »

I say bring the staff, if all else fails you can just pose with it outside your room and then leave it in there. Better to bring it and find out no then to leave it and find out yes.

ask Kylite, he might be able to clear it up a bit more than I would, I'm just a nooblet to this whole thing pretty much >>

Antares · « **Reply #77 on:** August 31, 2006, 12:05:37 pm »

Quote from: "EcchiSpice"

Common areas means anything not in a room ie hallways, lobby.

Out of doors is outside convention space, and therefore is not affected by this policy.

I say bring your stuff - it would be a shame not to -- - I know I am always impressed by the awesome props. Also, it is going to be a NICE WEEKEND (okay, a little warm on Sat.

) and beautiful weather makes for beautiful outdoor photos!!!

Con Forecast from weather.com:

Sat. Sep 2 - Sunny 94°/59°
Sun. Sep 3 - Mostly Sunny 88°/57°
Mon. Sep 4 - Sunny 85°/57°

NightBlade · « **Reply #78 on:** August 31, 2006, 12:43:55 pm »

*woots*

EvilMonkey · « **Reply #79 on:** August 31, 2006, 01:30:03 pm »

**UPDATE**

After talking with the hotel, the concensus is that if hotel security asks you to remove your mask, then please do so. They mainly want to be able to see people's faces when they are in the main lobby. When you're downstairs, or by the ballrooms, you shouldn't need to worry about the mask issue.

Flatline · « **Reply #80 on:** August 31, 2006, 02:15:43 pm »

Once again, Miroku staves are fine. The main concern here would be a metal pole, a sword, or anything primarily made out of metal.

Doom Bunny · « **Reply #81 on:** August 31, 2006, 02:18:11 pm »

Quote from: "EvilMonkey"

**UPDATE**

After talking with the hotel, the concensus is that if hotel security asks you to remove your mask, then please do so. They mainly want to be able to see people's faces when they are in the main lobby. When you're downstairs, or by the ballrooms, you shouldn't need to worry about the mask issue.

This makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. I like that they were willing to work with you guys some more.

Shiv · « **Reply #82 on:** August 31, 2006, 02:21:47 pm »

That's a relief. I'm sure many people are going to be happy that the policy's a little more relaxed now.

Antares · « **Reply #83 on:** August 31, 2006, 02:42:15 pm »

Quote from: "Shiv"

That's a relief. I'm sure many people are going to be happy that the policy's a little more relaxed now.

No kidding - - a ninja without a mask... that's just... wrong...

This should be changed on the homepage original post.

superjaz · « **Reply #84 on:** August 31, 2006, 02:49:55 pm »

yea the cosume i sliced my finger open making wont be worn cuz it cvers the face too much

Dark-hobo · « **Reply #85 on:** August 31, 2006, 07:46:33 pm »

I am just going to say this and a bit more, bring ALL your props whether they are allowed or not. You can wear them outside with no problems. Also about a metal sword with sheath. If you can make it so the sword CANNOT be drawn then you can just say that the sword is merely a prop sheath and has no blade. If you removed the blade that would also work as it would no longer be a metal prop. From what I have been told they have said no metal props so yes the sheet metal wings would probably wouldn't be allowed. BUT if you covered them with something not metal then you might be able to get away with it... well yeah. Vincents arm should be ok like eds arm. The main thing that I am saying basically though is bring all your props, banned or not. Storing them in your room is ok as is wearing them outside (once out there you are not our business). Oh yeah vondan the K throwing star thing hsould be ok as they are not really weapons. Like I said though bring them just in case and if you get called on them then just comply with their demands completely and stop wearing them.

Guys I know that the hotel is being unreasonable but it is a corporate entity and thus are afraid of stupid people sueing them over stupid **** they did on the hotel's property. They have to bend to public will which right now is fear of terrorism. So don't be too hard on them and please do not be hard on the staff. We gave you as much warning as we had and are trying to help you through this by letting you know some loopholes and telling you if some of your props are ok.

Again if anything in my post is not true then a someone with more knowledge than me please correct me.

Shiv · « **Reply #86 on:** September 01, 2006, 02:05:13 am »

Aye, if it's not obviously bad, bring it. We'll check it out and the worst thing that can happen is you won't be able to use it this time around, but you at least tried! Otherwise we'll peacebond it and send you on your merry way.

Eternal Yamcha · « **Reply #87 on:** September 01, 2006, 03:28:05 am »

That's what I figured the rule was, no masks in the common areas, but, again, the extra clarification is nice. To say that all metal is banned is incorrect... Jewelery is pretty much safe, the foils SHOULD be safe (tin and aluminum) and if done correctly, can make amazing props.

It's not really a bad/terrible ruling, it's completely understandable that the hotel wants to safeguard people... I do feel bad for the people who spent a long time on metallic props going by the con rules.

Anyways, have fun y'all!

Antares · « **Reply #88 on:** September 01, 2006, 09:43:39 am »

Quote from: "Eternal Yamcha"

...the foils SHOULD be safe (tin and aluminum) and if done correctly, can make amazing props.

That reminds me of this pic - is that not the shiny-est sword ever???

Larger pic here:
http://bellethecat.com/images/shiny.jpg

EcchiSpice · « **Reply #89 on:** September 01, 2006, 10:01:46 am »

I've updated the policy a bit on the main page. We went with the harshest version, hoping we could loosen the hotel up a bit as we explained what was actually involved. It's better to tell people that things are now allowed than to restrict more and more over time.

I'll announce the latest greatest at the opening ceremonies, and all Yojimbo and other staff will be informed.

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