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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #100 on: August 09, 2011, 11:19:10 pm »
The fact of the matter is that it's simply shoddy business practices. We were promised a chance to get in. We were never given that chance.

Your promised chance was to apply...

Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #101 on: August 09, 2011, 11:22:50 pm »
I am honestly puzzled by the number of people who think that simply because we're mad about this somehow means we won't enjoy the con. I HOPE to be able to continue to support Kumoricon, although this was a major smear on their reputation. But there's a pretty big leap between being mad about one thing and somehow taking everything else down with it.

There have been many people, on the first page even, stating that they probably won't come back. I believe that is where this is coming from.

For those of you who DO say you want to do something, I've brought to attention a few times the link in my signature regarding planning an alternate event at some other time, and while people claim to support such a thing, there have been very few suggestions along the planning process. One only repeated notes I had given only a few comments before, as if they were new. It was very strange.

Even if the information was just restated from earlier in the thread, I thought that post was a great summary that clearly and concisely stated the concerns of holding your proposed event. It doesn't seem that strange to me.

Plus don't you have to be over 18 to be a staffer anyway?

People can begin staffing at age 16 now with parental consent. They are, of course, still required to follow the rules of those who are under 18 (such as curfew).

Staff works their butts off to ensure that everything goes smoothly. Thank you to staff.

Yes, thank you indeed for all your hard work. I hope you continue to provide us with an awesome convention. <3

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #102 on: August 09, 2011, 11:28:01 pm »
This thread is seriously starting to bum me out.

I voice a complaint, a logical one, and RAWRRRR I get people defending the con and attacking me like nobody's business.

I still had (and have) a valid complaint.

I hope the lines for the room aren't insanely long, due to the fact that the space is so small. Ugh.

Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #103 on: August 09, 2011, 11:32:17 pm »
I voice a complaint, a logical one, and RAWRRRR I get people defending the con and attacking me like nobody's business.

It's holier than thou arguments like this that make me just roll my eyes. YES, I would be asking for there to be more space for dealers...and I don't really care what gets taken out BECAUSE IT IS MY FAVORITE PART.

I do not see the logic.

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #104 on: August 09, 2011, 11:38:07 pm »
HEY, GUESS WHAT.


GET OVER IT.

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #105 on: August 09, 2011, 11:41:14 pm »
LOUD NOISES!


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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #106 on: August 09, 2011, 11:42:18 pm »
I voice a complaint, a logical one, and RAWRRRR I get people defending the con and attacking me like nobody's business.

It's holier than thou arguments like this that make me just roll my eyes. YES, I would be asking for there to be more space for dealers...and I don't really care what gets taken out BECAUSE IT IS MY FAVORITE PART.

I do not see the logic.

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #107 on: August 09, 2011, 11:47:10 pm »
"Get over" what, exactly? The fact that we're frustrated and want to do something about it, as well as vent that frustration to the people who can make a difference?

Bresslol--I was thinking of people such as board members vs the people who do the running around work. I never said that that was any less important, it just doesn't require as much overall time during the entire year leading up to the con. Besides, YOU may be able to come down from Seattle for everything but not everyone can.

PaperRoxas--those are the same things. A chance to apply *is* a chance to get in.

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #108 on: August 09, 2011, 11:47:38 pm »
HEY, GUESS WHAT.


GET OVER IT.


agreed~ I wandered in here to see what all the hubub was about

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #109 on: August 09, 2011, 11:47:51 pm »
I voice a complaint, a logical one, and RAWRRRR I get people defending the con and attacking me like nobody's business.

It's holier than thou arguments like this that make me just roll my eyes. YES, I would be asking for there to be more space for dealers...and I don't really care what gets taken out BECAUSE IT IS MY FAVORITE PART.

I do not see the logic.
I think the SpaghettiMonster makes a very good point here. I dont see your logic, a comment like that was asking to be argued. I'm sorry but your immaturity there astounds me.

Regardless, I find it a bit disappointing that the vendors hall is so small this year, and Im sure by the same circumstances the artist alley is rather small as well. But to be frank I dont mind, dealers halls are generally over priced, I can buy my manga or anime online or at powells and frys should I so choose to not shell out ridiculous amounts for them. I do hope though that the booths selling plushies, figurines, posters, and other such harder to come by in person merchandise, will be plentiful for the small space we have.

I hope we dont have such small spaces in the future, and my personal idea is I would rather the parking garage again over the venue we have now, but it's too late to change that. I also wasnt a vendor that year who had to deal with the heat, so I can see why they wouldnt want to go back to that, not to mention lack of cell reception. But all in all for the attendees I think the number of vendors was a poor thing to sacrifice instead of heat.

However were changing venues as always next year, at least I believe so. No reason to not come back to the con over this when the dealers hall wont be in the same place next year, and I have faith that the staff hears these crys and will take this issue into consideration next year when planning the vendors hall and picking a location for it.  
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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #110 on: August 09, 2011, 11:55:59 pm »
I voice a complaint, a logical one, and RAWRRRR I get people defending the con and attacking me like nobody's business.

It's holier than thou arguments like this that make me just roll my eyes. YES, I would be asking for there to be more space for dealers...and I don't really care what gets taken out BECAUSE IT IS MY FAVORITE PART.

I do not see the logic.
I think the SpaghettiMonster makes a very good point here. I dont see your logic, a comment like that was asking to be argued. I'm sorry but your immaturity there astounds me.

Someone had asked if I seriously thought some other favorite parts should be taken out for more dealer space. Since I like the dealer area, I said yes, obviously. If someone's favorite part was learning to draw manga or Magic or a meet and greet with Todd and company, then yeah, they would like that section not to be cut in half this year, right? Does any immaturity on this forum really astound you? I mean it's the internet...

Regardless, I find it a bit disappointing that the vendors hall is so small this year, and Im sure by the same circumstances the artist alley is rather small as well. But to be frank I dont mind, dealers halls are generally over priced, I can buy my manga or anime online or at powells and frys should I so choose to not shell out ridiculous amounts for them. I do hope though that the booths selling plushies, figurines, posters, and other such harder to come by in person merchandise, will be plentiful for the small space we have.

True. Like I previously had mentioned, I am mostly looking for toys, blind box toys, etc, etc. Not a big fan of buying anime at cons, since yes, they are genuinely pretty spendy (and if they have sales tax on it...no thanks).

I hope we dont have such small spaces in the future, and my personal idea is I would rather the parking garage again over the venue we have now, but it's too late to change that. I also wasnt a vendor that year who had to deal with the heat, so I can see why they wouldnt want to go back to that, not to mention lack of cell reception. But all in all for the attendees I think the number of vendors was a poor thing to sacrifice instead of heat.

I don't recall reading if they are going to huge the inferno parking garage for anything else...and if so, why?

However were changing venues as always next year, at least I believe so. No reason to not come back to the con over this when the dealers hall wont be in the same place next year, and I have faith that the staff hears these crys and will take this issue into consideration next year when planning the vendors hall and picking a location for it.  

I don't know, but I didnt pre-reg for next year, I pre-reg'd for this year.

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #111 on: August 09, 2011, 11:58:10 pm »
HEY, GUESS WHAT.


GET OVER IT.


agreed~ I wandered in here to see what all the hubub was about

Oh, get over it, right, gotcha. I like how you have a link selling things in your signature. The joke just writes itself there.


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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #112 on: August 10, 2011, 12:01:27 am »
"Get over" what, exactly? The fact that we're frustrated and want to do something about it, as well as vent that frustration to the people who can make a difference?

They got that you and other people were frusterated a LONG time ago. Complaining about it now is just useless, and frankly, will just end up annoying people.




HEY, GUESS WHAT.


GET OVER IT.


agreed~ I wandered in here to see what all the hubub was about

Oh, get over it, right, gotcha. I like how you have a link selling things in your signature. The joke just writes itself there.




Now you're complaining about things in people's signatures? Real nice.

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #113 on: August 10, 2011, 12:02:44 am »
The flamewar stops, and the personal attacks stop, or I lock the thread down. Play nice kids.
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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #114 on: August 10, 2011, 12:03:46 am »
"Get over" what, exactly? The fact that we're frustrated and want to do something about it, as well as vent that frustration to the people who can make a difference?

They got that you and other people were frusterated a LONG time ago. Complaining about it now is just useless, and frankly, will just end up annoying people.




HEY, GUESS WHAT.


GET OVER IT.


agreed~ I wandered in here to see what all the hubub was about

Oh, get over it, right, gotcha. I like how you have a link selling things in your signature. The joke just writes itself there.




Now you're complaining about things in people's signatures? Real nice.

Complaining? Nah, not this time. :D

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #115 on: August 10, 2011, 12:06:55 am »
I feel like i'm being trolled...

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #116 on: August 10, 2011, 12:10:58 am »
"Get over" what, exactly? The fact that we're frustrated and want to do something about it, as well as vent that frustration to the people who can make a difference?

They got that you and other people were frusterated a LONG time ago. Complaining about it now is just useless, and frankly, will just end up annoying people.

And yet there's still stuff that has to be answered. Why did it take so long? What did this lawyer do that ate up so many months? We ARE getting a new lawyer, right? Why were we not informed until two days ago that the summary WAS the application? Why was only such a small space alloted to begin with? Why do conventions need so much space when they're not really "selling" anything and people who pay for their tickets there will generally know in advance that they're going to do so? Why was such preference given to industry people when they sell things available in normal stores? Why were the people rejected not informed directly and had to see it plastered on the website in what comes across as an afterthought?

Basically, why did all of this fail so very badly and what do you intend to do to fix it in the future?

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #117 on: August 10, 2011, 12:11:28 am »
The flamewar stops, and the personal attacks stop, or I lock the thread down. Play nice kids.

THIS, I hate to see a discussion/debate cluttered up with pointless flames that become irrelevant to the topic at hand and just turn into a "I dont like you" "I dont like you either" volley.

Nerdtastic: The venue for the hall in 07 was a large parking garage that overheated very easily, and Im assuming, and based by a post by a staffer earlier in this thread, that the garage was the alternate idea for the hall but was decided against because of previous complaints back in 07. And as far as I know their letting the garage alone because of these complaints, as in no events are being held there.

And yes you pre regged for this year not next year, and this year the hall wont live up to your expectations, next year it possibly will. And that comment wasnt directly about you, nor was my whole post. Please do not take everything I type, or others type, and assume it is about yourself. I was referring to those who had said they wouldnt come back to K con, or break a tradition of coming to K con over this years vendors hall issues.
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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #118 on: August 10, 2011, 12:15:57 am »
The flamewar stops, and the personal attacks stop, or I lock the thread down. Play nice kids.

THIS, I hate to see a discussion/debate cluttered up with pointless flames that become irrelevant to the topic at hand and just turn into a "I dont like you" "I dont like you either" volley.

Nerdtastic: The venue for the hall in 07 was a large parking garage that overheated very easily, and Im assuming, and based by a post by a staffer earlier in this thread, that the garage was the alternate idea for the hall but was decided against because of previous complaints back in 07. And as far as I know their letting the garage alone because of these complaints, as in no events are being held there.

And yes you pre regged for this year not next year, and this year the hall wont live up to your expectations, next year it possibly will. And that comment wasnt directly about you, nor was my whole post. Please do not take everything I type, or others type, and assume it is about yourself. I was referring to those who had said they wouldnt come back to K con, or break a tradition of coming to K con over this years vendors hall issues.


Sure, absolutely. My thread combines with another, so I still have feelings it was "my" thread to begin with, etc.

Oh well. I'm still looking forward to the convetion. I got some answers from some higher up staffs, that's pretty much why I voiced my disgust at the start!

Pretty sure I wasn't flaming anyone, but if someone thought such, it wasn't my intent.  Just had a lot of people jumping to the defense of the con with the whole "get over it" mentality irked me.

I had fun last year, the only annoying thing was the lines, so this year I pre-reg'd. Hope the lines are better and I have fun!


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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #119 on: August 10, 2011, 12:16:37 am »
"Get over" what, exactly? The fact that we're frustrated and want to do something about it, as well as vent that frustration to the people who can make a difference?

They got that you and other people were frusterated a LONG time ago. Complaining about it now is just useless, and frankly, will just end up annoying people.

And yet there's still stuff that has to be answered. Why did it take so long? What did this lawyer do that ate up so many months? We ARE getting a new lawyer, right? Why were we not informed until two days ago that the summary WAS the application? Why was only such a small space alloted to begin with? Why do conventions need so much space when they're not really "selling" anything and people who pay for their tickets there will generally know in advance that they're going to do so? Why was such preference given to industry people when they sell things available in normal stores? Why were the people rejected not informed directly and had to see it plastered on the website in what comes across as an afterthought?

Basically, why did all of this fail so very badly and what do you intend to do to fix it in the future?

Well here's my opinion...
1: Maybe they don't want to discuss very far into legal issues with random people on the forums.
and 2: Maybe the forums arn't the best place to ask questions and complain. Try Email and PM.

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #120 on: August 10, 2011, 12:20:09 am »
The flamewar stops, and the personal attacks stop, or I lock the thread down. Play nice kids.

THIS, I hate to see a discussion/debate cluttered up with pointless flames that become irrelevant to the topic at hand and just turn into a "I dont like you" "I dont like you either" volley.

Nerdtastic: The venue for the hall in 07 was a large parking garage that overheated very easily, and Im assuming, and based by a post by a staffer earlier in this thread, that the garage was the alternate idea for the hall but was decided against because of previous complaints back in 07. And as far as I know their letting the garage alone because of these complaints, as in no events are being held there.

And yes you pre regged for this year not next year, and this year the hall wont live up to your expectations, next year it possibly will. And that comment wasnt directly about you, nor was my whole post. Please do not take everything I type, or others type, and assume it is about yourself. I was referring to those who had said they wouldnt come back to K con, or break a tradition of coming to K con over this years vendors hall issues.


Sure, absolutely. My thread combines with another, so I still have feelings it was "my" thread to begin with, etc.

Oh well. I'm still looking forward to the convetion. I got some answers from some higher up staffs, that's pretty much why I voiced my disgust at the start!

Pretty sure I wasn't flaming anyone, but if someone thought such, it wasn't my intent.  Just had a lot of people jumping to the defense of the con with the whole "get over it" mentality irked me.

I had fun last year, the only annoying thing was the lines, so this year I pre-reg'd. Hope the lines are better and I have fun!



well merging happens, I'm assuming your topic was on the same line as this one, a complaint about the way the dealers hall is being handled this year thus it fit in with this one instead of having multiple threads about the same issue.

And yes I do hope you have fun too.

Concerning the rest of this I feel bad for the staff. Their stuck between a rock and a hard place, deal with the garage again where there would possibly be a whole thread of complaints about never wanting to return to that, or a thread about complaining that the hall is too small. I wish there was another venue they could have chose, and hopefully next year better options will present themselfs.
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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #121 on: August 10, 2011, 12:21:24 am »
HEY GUYS, HOW ABOUT YOU STOP COMPLAINING. We're lucky these people even put on this convention for us at all! So stop bitching and suck it up! If you don't like what's happening, don't come to the convention, but stop ruining it for everyone else! Btw, I know I was complaining a few days ago but I realized it was silly and got over myself...>3>

MORAL OF THE STORY: IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE CON, GTFO.

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #122 on: August 10, 2011, 12:24:36 am »
I've tried email. For a few months now. There has never been an answer. Not even a "we're not at liberty to discuss those things"--even that would be more than the stony silence I got.

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #123 on: August 10, 2011, 12:27:46 am »
HEY GUYS, HOW ABOUT YOU STOP COMPLAINING. We're lucky these people even put on this convention for us at all! So stop bitching and suck it up! If you don't like what's happening, don't come to the convention, but stop ruining it for everyone else! Btw, I know I was complaining a few days ago but I realized it was silly and got over myself...>3>

MORAL OF THE STORY: IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE CON, GTFO.

yes and no, complaining as in constant "ugh I hate the con, I hate the vendors hall" and nothing else are a bad mark.
But voicing concerns and attempting civil debates and speculation to possible better possibility if not for this year then the next year, are a good way to help the con improve itself. That could have been where this thread would go, but its turned into constant arguments. My hope is that things level back out here and it goes back to voicing concerns and attendees not only saying what they dont like but coming up with options to fix it. Which I do believe was happening before this storm of bolded and overly large printed argument over the last few pages occurred.
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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #124 on: August 10, 2011, 12:28:29 am »
They screwed up.
They apologized.
They said they would fix everything next year.
It's too close to the con to do anything about it this year.
Their screw-up didn't kill or hurt anyone.
Kindly move on and enjoy the con for what it's worth.

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #125 on: August 10, 2011, 12:30:12 am »
chihiro: Yes, but at this point it's just people complaining, not trying to improve things. :T

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #126 on: August 10, 2011, 12:30:35 am »
EDIT: Sorry, glitch.
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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #127 on: August 10, 2011, 12:32:03 am »
chihiro: Yes, but at this point it's just people complaining, not trying to improve things. :T

well I'm hoping it can get back on track then from complaining to improving things. This discussion is now really about next year than this year, as yes it is too late to improve the situation by much this year.
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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #128 on: August 10, 2011, 12:36:47 am »
chihiro: Yes, but at this point it's just people complaining, not trying to improve things. :T

I am very much trying to improve things, thank you very much.

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #129 on: August 10, 2011, 12:37:05 am »
chihiro: Yes, but at this point it's just people complaining, not trying to improve things. :T

well I'm hoping it can get back on track then from complaining to improving things. This discussion is now really about next year than this year, as yes it is too late to improve the situation by much this year.

I agree, but I also don't see that happening any time soon. I think the complaining will go up until the con and after the con will be a bit more complaining and then some improving. :P

Blackjack: If you say so. A lot of people think otherwise. Oh, and don't think I was just talking about just you, cuz I wasn't.
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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #130 on: August 10, 2011, 12:44:48 am »
They screwed up.
They apologized.
They said they would fix everything next year.
It's too close to the con to do anything about it this year.
Their screw-up didn't kill or hurt anyone.
Kindly move on and enjoy the con for what it's worth.
No, but it's a legitimate complaint and by telling them to "get over it" you're just ignoring the issue (and bumping the thread, therefore allowing more people to see this).

Also, their screw-up definitely may have hurt people. The United States is in a recession and narrowly avoided defaulting on its loans. Shops are being hit hard because people don't have the confidence to spend money (see: the S&P 500, the US' credit ranking dropping down a notch) and the denied vendors might have depending on this to make a profit for this per capita. Considering that you're someone who complains about not having money quite a bit, you should be able to understand.
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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #131 on: August 10, 2011, 01:19:57 am »
HEY, GUESS WHAT.


GET OVER IT.


agreed~ I wandered in here to see what all the hubub was about

Oh, get over it, right, gotcha. I like how you have a link selling things in your signature. The joke just writes itself there.


._.; I'm hardly ever active on here and forgot that I had put that in my siggy. I've actually given up on selling things, not to mention, I'm not the one trying to apply to to be in the Dealer's room to begin with. Get facts straight before posting something you have no idea about ;>.> These were things I had around I didn't want anymore and I was trying to sell them, smart one.
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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #132 on: August 10, 2011, 01:25:33 am »
Blackjack: If you say so. A lot of people think otherwise. Oh, and don't think I was just talking about just you, cuz I wasn't.

"at this point it's just people complaining" sort of puts everyone in the thread together.

Also, nerdtastic, please don't be inflammitory. If someone has a shop in their sig has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject at hand. I know you're on my side but you're making that side look bad.

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #133 on: August 10, 2011, 01:26:32 am »
Blackjack: If you say so. A lot of people think otherwise. Oh, and don't think I was just talking about just you, cuz I wasn't.

"at this point it's just people complaining" sort of puts everyone in the thread together.

Also, nerdtastic, please don't be inflammitory. If someone has a shop in their sig has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject at hand. I know you're on my side but you're making that side look bad.
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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #134 on: August 10, 2011, 01:26:37 am »
"Get over" what, exactly? The fact that we're frustrated and want to do something about it, as well as vent that frustration to the people who can make a difference?

They got that you and other people were frusterated a LONG time ago. Complaining about it now is just useless, and frankly, will just end up annoying people.

And yet there's still stuff that has to be answered. Why did it take so long? What did this lawyer do that ate up so many months? We ARE getting a new lawyer, right? Why were we not informed until two days ago that the summary WAS the application? Why was only such a small space alloted to begin with? Why do conventions need so much space when they're not really "selling" anything and people who pay for their tickets there will generally know in advance that they're going to do so? Why was such preference given to industry people when they sell things available in normal stores? Why were the people rejected not informed directly and had to see it plastered on the website in what comes across as an afterthought?

Basically, why did all of this fail so very badly and what do you intend to do to fix it in the future?

As someone else suggested, your questions for the most part are much more technical and the answers are probably simply inappropriate for discussion in this manner. I know you have said you've had email troubles in the past, but I'd encourage you to try emailing your questions to the proper staff email address (of course, it would be wise to wait until after the con has passed and died down, otherwise your email will most definitely get buried).

I have no answers to give, but I again just encourage you to not give up on your pursuit, but to also understand that this is the kind of thing that will require patience if you really want sufficient answers beyond what has been provided here already.


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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #135 on: August 10, 2011, 01:29:46 am »
A few things I have read so far in this thread that I feel I should give some input on.
First off, Blackjack, you asked why Conventions are given so much space. Well, first off, there is onbly 1 Convention that got space, and it's from a long standing arrangement between the 2 Conventions (Sakura and Kumori) for the exchange of 1 booth space each. Each Booth is given an 8'x8' area to setup with. Believe it or not, this is actually a rather small space when you consider space is taken up by displays and tables. Kumori is getting a MUCH better deal from this long standing exchange, considering they basically get a $450 space with over 3 times the traffic for the low cost of a $230 space.
As for those who are concerned about the variety of merchandise. If you look into what each of the chosen Dealer's carry, you'll find there is actually a good mix. I can say at my booth alone there's a large variety, including Plushies, Model Kits, Figures, Keychains and Wallscrolls.
To the Dealers who didn't get in, I can fully understand how you feel. Last year, someone at Kumoricon dropped the ball on my shop as well as several other Dealers I know. I have a feeling one of the reasons my shop was seleected was partially to make up for last year as well as for the variety my shop brings.
Finally, to any Dealer who did not get in, I'd like to offer this. If your going to be attending Kumoricon as an attendee, then please feel free to stop by my booth with any promotional material you may have and I will try to find some way to help you promote your business at the Con. Also, if you'd like, feel free to contact me and I'll see if we can arrange some kind of consignment deal with you so at least some of your merchandise can be sold at the Con.
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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #136 on: August 10, 2011, 01:36:59 am »
That's odd, I swear that list included Aki-con and at least two others the other day. Perhaps I conflated it with some other list, mentally.

How did they "drop the ball" last year? And the price this year was only 230? See, I didn't even hear THAT much!

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #137 on: August 10, 2011, 02:31:17 am »
Oh lordy this thread XD It is good for a nice lol.

Everything here has gotten out of hand. All it is is two against everyone and two people who refuse, no many how many logical and legitimate answer they are giving, still find things to complain about.

Nerdtastic: I'm glad you are going to try to enjoy the con. You have voiced your concerns and people have clearly heard them. You much rather other peoples favorite part of the con be cut down so that your favorite part can be increased. We get it. Why are you so special that other people have to suffer just so you can be happy? It seems like so far (though its hard to tell without a schedule) that there is a fair balance between everything.

Blackjack: Staff said you sent a buttload of emails and they answered them the best they could while not giving you all then attention and trying to answer other peoples. A legal matter while it is happening is NOT something that should be discussed with others outside of said legal matter. Right now staff are frantic trying to get ready for con so they may not be able to answer your email. Like someone else said, wait till after con and I am sure that you can have your questions answered. Also, I think you may be the only one that didn't know that sending the information in was your way of applying. I understood that pretty well. A possibility is just posting questions in here with each one of them on a separate line and that will make it very easy for staff to answer them then waiting for their response rather than responding to people who just attend the con and can not give you answers and are 90% of the time not directing anything to you even though you seem to feel they are. Majority of the posts are directed at nerdtastic and people who are upset and general.


As for everyone else:

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #138 on: August 10, 2011, 08:24:27 am »
I've tried email. For a few months now. There has never been an answer. Not even a "we're not at liberty to discuss those things"--even that would be more than the stony silence I got.
[mod hat off]

Blackjack, you know that's not true. Heck, even I know that's not true. I've talked to you about it several times privately, and while I wasn't able to give you all the answers or the answers you wanted, I've given you the answers I had. I'm not even in Relations, and I've chased down information to the best of my ability for you.

To boot, I'm told by people who have always given me good reason to trust them that Relations has answered your questions so many times it's ridiculous, with much more patience than I'd have had.

There's a giant difference between "There has never been an answer" and "No one will give me the answer I want, so I'll keep asking".

[mod hat on]

This has gone far beyond the point of reasonable discussion. If someone has a new argument to make that doesn't boil down to "You suck", a new question to ask other than "Why do you suck so much?", or a new answer to give other than "It's because you suck" - about the subject of dealers hall - please do so. It would be very welcome.

To amplify Bresslol's injunction:
Flaming is no longer necessary. If the going-nowhere-but-in-circles continues, this thread will be locked.
(That is, if it doesn't die of natural causes as nikkiolie suggests.)
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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #139 on: August 10, 2011, 04:36:37 pm »
Oh lordy this thread XD It is good for a nice lol.

Everything here has gotten out of hand. All it is is two against everyone and two people who refuse, no many how many logical and legitimate answer they are giving, still find things to complain about.

Nerdtastic: I'm glad you are going to try to enjoy the con. You have voiced your concerns and people have clearly heard them. You much rather other peoples favorite part of the con be cut down so that your favorite part can be increased. We get it. Why are you so special that other people have to suffer just so you can be happy? It seems like so far (though its hard to tell without a schedule) that there is a fair balance between everything.

Blackjack: Staff said you sent a buttload of emails and they answered them the best they could while not giving you all then attention and trying to answer other peoples. A legal matter while it is happening is NOT something that should be discussed with others outside of said legal matter. Right now staff are frantic trying to get ready for con so they may not be able to answer your email. Like someone else said, wait till after con and I am sure that you can have your questions answered. Also, I think you may be the only one that didn't know that sending the information in was your way of applying. I understood that pretty well. A possibility is just posting questions in here with each one of them on a separate line and that will make it very easy for staff to answer them then waiting for their response rather than responding to people who just attend the con and can not give you answers and are 90% of the time not directing anything to you even though you seem to feel they are. Majority of the posts are directed at nerdtastic and people who are upset and general.


As for everyone else:


Your first few sentences directed at me were ok. Then saying "Why are you so special" is just inflamatory. If someone is saying me pointing out someone having a link to sell stuff on while not being sad about the small amount of dealers is "inflamatory", then surely that is.

Why am I so special? I'm not. I had a complaint, it was dealt with. Not to my liking, but ho hum. I'm moving on, but I'd appreciate not having to check this thread to make sure people aren't piling on me more.


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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #140 on: August 10, 2011, 05:34:03 pm »
^ unnecessary post is unnecessary

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #141 on: August 10, 2011, 05:50:36 pm »
How to post without bumping the thread....

Really, everyone. Stop responding here. nothing we say will resolve anything. So, like a tied-up t-shirt in a bucket of colored water....let it dye (nyuk nyuk nyuk). But seriously. No more posting from us normal people.




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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #142 on: August 10, 2011, 06:51:37 pm »
And yet there's still stuff that has to be answered. Why did it take so long?

Blackjack, it was answered why it took so long. New staff members were involved in various pieces of preparing the exhibitors hall, and we ran into unexpected difficulties. We have apologized for mistakes that were made. There is nothing more to say. We realize some people are unhappy with the size of the dealers hall, the selection of dealers, and we're going to live with those choices, and do it better for next year. End of story.

What did this lawyer do that ate up so many months? We ARE getting a new lawyer, right?

Blackjack, don't single out individual people for blame when you don't know the facts. At one point, an attorney review was one step that was being worked on. At no point was our attorney responsible for these delays.

So, what, anyway? Supposing it was our lawyer's fault (which it wasn't), what difference would it make, at this point, to publicly divulge individual blame? The organization has spoken for its actions. That is all that is needed.
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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #143 on: August 10, 2011, 09:25:05 pm »
Randompvg--actually no. The only person who actually sent me an email was Teresa. When she told me to contact Sarah in relations, Sarah never actually emailed me, but replied in a single comment on here. If they're claiming that relations emailed me a ton, they're lying.

JeffT--I can only go by what I was told, and what I was told was that the holdup was due to "our lawyer". I never asked that the lawyer's identity be made public, only to find out what took so long and perhaps if we'd be getting another one this year.

Those are things that CAN be addressed, even if only to say "no comment". Even that is far better than having these questions recieve no answer whatsoever.

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Re: Kumoricon 2011 Exhibitors Hall Discussion and Comments
« Reply #144 on: August 10, 2011, 09:34:10 pm »
Alright.

This is starting to become cyclical. Blackjack, you're looking to be right, you get information from an exec, bicker, get more information from another exec, bicker, and it's starting again.

I am locking this thread for the time being. If you have further issues, email Relations and/or the Chair.


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