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2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« on: November 20, 2010, 12:37:22 AM »
If we turned a panel room into an 18+ art show and sale for a few hours in the evening, how many artists would submit for it?  Do you think out attendees would like to browse an area where adult stuff can actually be displayed? 

This is an idea currently being floated.  If you are an artist and would like would like to do something with this format, please let me know :)
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2010, 12:46:04 AM »
I know people would be interested in it, especially if there's more than JUST yaoi.

I can talk to Cassie, the girl who ran the Art Show the past couple of years.  There's a couple of other people that I know that might be interested in submitting art for this...

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2010, 01:21:13 PM »
I would submit art for this. (Yaoi and Yuri)

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2010, 07:20:26 PM »
This is a great idea, and Scrum's art is perfect for it. I don't know if Kasa and Rio are on the forums, so I will try to ask them. We had a lot of folks at our art panels and our adult art contest in the CS, so there will likely also be a lot of interest in this idea.
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2010, 09:30:47 AM »
Oh yeah!! We did have several REALLY GOOD contestants in the adult art contest. Did we keep any of their contact info, Rem?

(PS--wait. Kasa and Rio are not the same person??!  Are they sisters?? My mind is blown.)

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2010, 01:09:14 PM »
I would submit art for this. (Yaoi and Yuri)

If someone made a request that wasn't yaoi OR yuri, would you be up for it?

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2010, 06:53:13 PM »
Oh yeah!! We did have several REALLY GOOD contestants in the adult art contest. Did we keep any of their contact info, Rem?

(PS--wait. Kasa and Rio are not the same person??!  Are they sisters?? My mind is blown.)

Am I the one who ended up with the art, or is Kasa?

Heheh, is that a joke because of when they crossplayed Fred & George Weasley in an HP fic for Adult Bedtime Stories one year?

Or did you really not know? How amusing. They used to be inseparable, and they've both been my Art Coordinators at various CS's in the U.S. & Canada, but, yep, they're in separate bodies :)
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2010, 08:04:36 PM »
I would submit art for this. (Yaoi and Yuri)

If someone made a request that wasn't yaoi OR yuri, would you be up for it?

depends on the request :3

Oh yeah!! We did have several REALLY GOOD contestants in the adult art contest. Did we keep any of their contact info, Rem?

(PS--wait. Kasa and Rio are not the same person??!  Are they sisters?? My mind is blown.)

Am I the one who ended up with the art, or is Kasa?

Heheh, is that a joke because of when they crossplayed Fred & George Weasley in an HP fic for Adult Bedtime Stories one year?

Or did you really not know? How amusing. They used to be inseparable, and they've both been my Art Coordinators at various CS's in the U.S. & Canada, but, yep, they're in separate bodies :)

Ho shi--no, I really did not know!! I spent this entire past con thinking Kasa was Rio. And of course wondering why she was acting so weird! No wonder! (Where did Rio go? Not to offend Kasa, I just really like Rio)

Oh, and as for the art, now that I think about it I believe that all of the adult contest entries were picked up. BUT I think still have the winner list somewhere. I will see if I can find it :)

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2010, 01:13:53 PM »
Rio Armare = Kayla Mayer

Kasa = Aislinn Smith

Kayla has had a table in the Artists' Alley, I believe.

I'm hoping she someday publishes her amazing manga.
http://rio-armare.deviantart.com/ There's her DA.

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2010, 11:43:48 PM »
I would submit art for this. (Yaoi and Yuri)

If someone made a request that wasn't yaoi OR yuri, would you be up for it?

depends on the request :3


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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2010, 10:59:44 AM »
Rio Armare = Kayla Mayer

Kasa = Aislinn Smith

Kayla has had a table in the Artists' Alley, I believe.

I'm hoping she someday publishes her amazing manga.
http://rio-armare.deviantart.com/ There's her DA.

Kayla co-ran the Creation Station at Otafest in Calgary, Alberta, Canada this year!

Wow really??! Awesome!

Yeah, now that I think about it, I can tell them apart. I feel really bad! XD  Maybe I'll see Kayla in AA next year and we'll have a laugh about it.

Ranma Saotome w/ Akane Tendo - Ranma 1/2

See, now, I was totally going to say "YEAH Ranma x Akane!!" and then realized that I was imagining Ranma in his girl form. ^^;   So, yeah, I don't think I can do hets. Sorry ^^;

Although I must say, I do appreciate your taste in the classics :D

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2010, 11:01:33 AM »
Ranma Saotome w/ Akane Tendo - Ranma 1/2

See, now, I was totally going to say "YEAH Ranma x Akane!!" and then realized that I was imagining Ranma in his girl form. ^^;   So, yeah, I don't think I can do hets. Sorry ^^;

Although I must say, I do appreciate your taste in the classics :D

Thank you.

Depending on WHAT Akane & female-type Ranma are doing, I still might be interested...

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2010, 03:46:10 PM »
Heya Guys,

Could you take specifics of art requests to PMs?  I can live without knowing exactly what sort of adult art people would want to commission ;)  Thanks. 
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2010, 04:03:55 PM »
Heya Guys,

Could you take specifics of art requests to PMs?  I can live without knowing exactly what sort of adult art people would want to commission ;)  Thanks. 

Don't get your knickers in a twist. We've stayed PG.  :P

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2010, 06:49:22 PM »
Heya Guys,

Could you take specifics of art requests to PMs?  I can live without knowing exactly what sort of adult art people would want to commission ;)  Thanks. 

Don't get your knickers in a twist. We've stayed PG.  :P

I know, but I thought I'd try to bump us back on topic just in case ;)
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2010, 07:04:07 PM »
Rio Armare = Kayla Mayer

Kasa = Aislinn Smith

Kayla has had a table in the Artists' Alley, I believe.

I'm hoping she someday publishes her amazing manga.
http://rio-armare.deviantart.com/ There's her DA.

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I think I know Kalya... does she have black, curly hair, and wears glasses?  Used to be a Clark College student?  (I think the person I'm thinking of has talked about OtaFest before).
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2010, 09:18:32 PM »
Pots draws art :O

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2010, 04:16:18 PM »
Rio Armare = Kayla Mayer

Kasa = Aislinn Smith

Kayla has had a table in the Artists' Alley, I believe.

I'm hoping she someday publishes her amazing manga.
http://rio-armare.deviantart.com/ There's her DA.

Kayla co-ran the Creation Station at Otafest in Calgary, Alberta, Canada this year!

I think I know Kalya... does she have black, curly hair, and wears glasses?  Used to be a Clark College student?  (I think the person I'm thinking of has talked about OtaFest before).
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2010, 04:41:30 PM »
Rio Armare = Kayla Mayer

Kasa = Aislinn Smith

Kayla has had a table in the Artists' Alley, I believe.

I'm hoping she someday publishes her amazing manga.
http://rio-armare.deviantart.com/ There's her DA.

Kayla co-ran the Creation Station at Otafest in Calgary, Alberta, Canada this year!

I think I know Kalya... does she have black, curly hair, and wears glasses?  Used to be a Clark College student?  (I think the person I'm thinking of has talked about OtaFest before).
Ding ding ding! Yep.

AWESOME!!!  She stills has my Project A-ko DVD's...  I gotta remember to call her about those...
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2010, 07:09:08 PM »
Cool. If you have a # for her, can you please tell her about this thread for me? Thanks.
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2010, 10:54:20 PM »
Sure; not a problem, Ellen.

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2010, 02:55:18 AM »
@ Aaron: Thanks, hon.

@ Pots: Hi! I just noticed your post. While I am sure your art is lovely, and while I personally believe that freedom of expression for art that one creates solely for oneself should know no age bounds, if your art would fit the topic of this thread, then if the age listed in your profile is accurate, your post raises a valuable question for our dear execs.
To enter the room to purchase adult art, one would have to be 18.
Does one have to also already be 18 to provide the art?

I would consider this to be a question with potential legal ramifications.
Options would include:
(a) Execs declare that art for the Adult Art Show & Sale panel can be accepted only by those 18 +, with artists required to include a copy of their ID for proof at the time of submission.
(Of note: If we go this route, Execs should clarify whether the age requirement refers to age at the time the art was created, age at the time the art was first publicly posted, e.g., on DA, or age at the time the panel is held during the convention.)
(b) Execs create a permission slip that could be signed by a parent or other legal guardian explicitly (no pun intended) expressing that (1) they know the content of their minor's art, and (2) they permit that it be shown and potentially sold at this panel.

It might shape the dialogue to know whether the intended range of art would be limited to what would pass in an R-rated movie or allowed to include what would be limited to an NC-17 movie.

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2010, 07:52:06 AM »
I will be 18 by the next K-con :D

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2010, 10:25:57 AM »
I will be 18 by the next K-con :D
Yay! Hope you have a fun con-year.
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2010, 12:43:16 PM »
Yes, all people viewing and submitting must be 18+.
I will want at least 10 artists wanting to submit to go ahead with this.
Also, we will not be doing sales of anything illegal, so all government rules about character ages must be followed.
I'll have all this better written up later on, for now I am just seeing if there is enough interest from artists. 
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2010, 12:49:06 PM »
Great, thanks.
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2010, 06:30:01 PM »
I will want at least 10 artists wanting to submit to go ahead with this.

I can ask around some of the clubs at Clark College.  I know that there's a few who draw this kind of stuff, even stuff with Star Scream. ???  I can show them this link at school next week.

Also, we will not be doing sales of anything illegal, so all government rules about character ages must be followed.

Oh yeah, huh?  Well, I guess that would eliminate my first & third requests, eh?


Oh, I just thought of something...

Would something bloody and gory count for this show?
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2010, 05:48:59 AM »
Also, we will not be doing sales of anything illegal, so all government rules about character ages must be followed.

(For reference: I'm only speaking personally, not speaking either as moderator or on behalf of Kumori in any fashion.)

In case not everyone has heard, the PROTECT Act specifies that child pornography includes fictional representations, i.e. drawings of characters that are under 18. The fan community tends to believe this only means "characters under 18 by canon". Legal opinions vary.

In some jurisdictions, it has been interpreted as "drawings of characters that look under 18 to an ambitious prosecutor" - which is pretty close to any H content in anime/manga, due to the fact that pubic hair is rarely drawn. However, I would think/hope we're probably safe from that in OR/WA, as long as you're not drawing an immortalized prepubescent like Evangeline from Negima.

YMMV on whether this law created the first official "thought crime", but that's another rant entirely.
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2010, 07:22:34 PM »
as long as you're not drawing an immortalized prepubescent like Evangeline from Negima.

...or Ciel Phantomhive from Black Butler.

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2010, 12:34:47 PM »
Also, we will not be doing sales of anything illegal, so all government rules about character ages must be followed.

(For reference: I'm only speaking personally, not speaking either as moderator or on behalf of Kumori in any fashion.)

In case not everyone has heard, the PROTECT Act specifies that child pornography includes fictional representations, i.e. drawings of characters that are under 18. The fan community tends to believe this only means "characters under 18 by canon". Legal opinions vary.

In some jurisdictions, it has been interpreted as "drawings of characters that look under 18 to an ambitious prosecutor" - which is pretty close to any H content in anime/manga, due to the fact that pubic hair is rarely drawn. However, I would think/hope we're probably safe from that in OR/WA, as long as you're not drawing an immortalized prepubescent like Evangeline from Negima.

YMMV on whether this law created the first official "thought crime", but that's another rant entirely.

We seem to be in the dark ages when it comes to nudity.  However, I'm interested in knowing more about the adults in anime that this art has deemed as needing to depict "adult ages" in.  It is quite odd to hear its necessary for drawn characters needing to be 18+ when every where I stumble upon "adult" anime I see is high schoolers, with the rare adult thrown in.

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2010, 04:23:59 PM »
Does all art require nudity? :O

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2010, 07:23:07 PM »
I don't think it should, but people tend to think that as soon as they hear "adult."  Things can be of a mature rating for other things, too, such as intense violence (BLOOD!  GORE!  PARTY!!!).  I guess this would depend on the artists in question, but that could be absolutely epic depending on what happens and whom is depicted.

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2011, 08:25:22 PM »
I guess panty shots are not adult enough....

unless I chop her arm off ...

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2011, 08:38:21 PM »
Depends. Lots of manga-ka specialize in panty shots that are more revealing than outright nudity.

Not to mention that the situation itself can make something sexual enough to be adult, whether there's revealed nudity or not.
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2011, 08:44:05 PM »
Depends. Lots of manga-ka specialize in panty shots that are more revealing than outright nudity.

Not to mention that the situation itself can make something sexual enough to be adult, whether there's revealed nudity or not.

uhhh, how so? What kind of situation?

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2011, 08:52:39 PM »
I don't know if this would meet others' definitions, but I would think that art showing something intensely erotic is adult, whether it showed nudity or not. Just as a f'rinstance, two people tangled up in the sheets with passionate expressions, even if the sheets covered up exactly what they were doing.
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2011, 09:05:56 PM »
OH so anything that looks seemingly erotic?

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2011, 09:15:08 PM »
It would be really good to check with Rathany (the original poster) to see how she feels about it, but that's what I would think. At least in my opinion, people's "naughty bits" aren't nearly as adult as what they might be doing with them.
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« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2011, 09:24:27 PM »
OK, I was just thinking that they put in anything that is too racey for the regular art show.

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2011, 10:14:40 PM »
That would pretty much be my impression as well.
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2011, 11:19:49 AM »
I know that myself & the 3 other people in my room would want to check it out...wouldn't stay interested for too long if it's all Yaoi but we would check it out none-the-less.

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2011, 02:04:42 PM »
I would definitely check it out. Yaoi and yuri don't break me. The expressed emotions of the artist on paper are what draws me to them more than anything. <3

I drop an insane amount of money at the artist alley for this reason alone but erotic art? Weee! :D
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2011, 02:31:18 PM »
I don't know if this would meet others' definitions, but I would think that art showing something intensely erotic is adult, whether it showed nudity or not. Just as a f'rinstance, two people tangled up in the sheets with passionate expressions, even if the sheets covered up exactly what they were doing.

Agreed.

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2011, 04:15:01 PM »
Ok sooo my art style is super cutesy ... will that be a problem? I heard something about age depiction... so I was wondering if my art would be appropriate.

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2011, 05:03:50 PM »
Ok sooo my art style is super cutesy ... will that be a problem? I heard something about age depiction... so I was wondering if my art would be appropriate.
I'm a huge fan of adult art that has hints of cute to it. The walls of my room would surprise you. :/
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2011, 06:46:34 PM »
I just noticed that one of the posts said this: "drawings of characters that look under 18 to an ambitious prosecutor"

I just don't want to be violating any rules with my extremely cutesy art style >:

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2011, 07:44:06 PM »
I think it'd depend on HOW the cute is done.  I've seen some really cute stuff that clearly had adult characters.

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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2011, 09:07:54 PM »
Sample of my cutesy art style ;| Is this adult looking?
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt276/hexshade123/IMGjjbcopy.jpg?t=1296548245
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #48 on: February 04, 2011, 09:20:20 PM »
It's cute and simple like some of the concept sketches on my wall. Not what I call adult. :/
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Re: 2 Hour Adult Art Show and Sale
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2011, 10:52:06 AM »
Yeah, her face looks more minor than an adult.  I'd recommend having her eyes a little bit smaller, and maybe have the hair up.  Perhaps have her face a little less round, too.