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« on: October 25, 2009, 10:44:48 pm »
Borderlands.

Yes please.


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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2009, 10:45:51 pm »
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2009, 10:49:29 pm »
*sigh*

I don't think you're going to be doing anything with any of us for quite a few days Nikki. lol
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2009, 10:54:48 pm »
That game looks like quake...So whut is it?

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2009, 10:57:32 pm »
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2009, 11:01:57 pm »


HEY, I HEARD YOU LIKE BOARDGAMES...

Well damn >:
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2009, 11:03:08 pm »
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2009, 11:49:43 pm »


HEY, I HEARD YOU LIKE BOARDGAMES...

Well damn >:
where is this?

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2009, 07:51:31 am »
I might have spent the whole night awake playing Borderlands... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2009, 04:12:55 pm »
I might have spent the whole night awake playing Borderlands... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Can anyone guess why Tofu was really dazed, slurring words, and dizzy during the elections meeting?

I'll give you a hint: Mustash did it the following night, AND IT'S NOT ALCOHOL.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2009, 04:20:17 pm »
Dont you think borderlands is a racist name?
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2009, 04:24:02 pm »
Dont you think borderlands is a racist name?
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...... no?
i don't even know what this is about xD

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2009, 04:26:03 pm »
No... "borderlands" is a term that suggests uninhabited (in this case, uninhabitable) terrain, spawned from when society lived in small, clustered settlements, and areas near the borders were infested with bandits and dangerous wildlife.

Given that, Borderlands is the most suitable name imaginable for this game.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2009, 04:32:44 pm »
0.0 *closes nose*
Sigh...Your description is very funny to me...

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2009, 04:55:03 pm »
Hey guys! Post pictures of the guns that you're using right now in the game :D







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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2009, 06:49:02 pm »
I want that sniper! :O
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2009, 06:56:09 pm »
Mr.Mustach, are you playing on a Mac?

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2009, 10:44:30 pm »
I want that sniper! :O

Yah, it's pretty much epic. Especially when I have +300% crit chance and +200% crit damage abilities :D :D :D

Mr.Mustach, are you playing on a Mac?

Nope. I've said it many times. I love to use Macs for everything but gaming. And because of this fact I have an epic gaming PC that I use to slay people.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2009, 02:52:06 am »
Got to play a little bit of it the other day, was pretty fun. Though I'm way too busy with Forza 3 to wanna jump in to something else.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2009, 10:03:17 am »
We should play Co-Op sometime.  I have a bunch of guns I've been holding onto to trade/give away.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2009, 11:33:10 pm »
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2009, 09:12:01 am »
Its not cross platform though isn't it?
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2009, 11:31:45 am »
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2009, 01:26:27 am »
Its not cross platform though isn't it?
Google. ;]  I'm not going to Google it myself because I don't care, but if you want to know if it's cross-platform, there's no reason not to type "Borderland video game" into a search engine and find out. :P

Zack, get this game with the quickness.  I've been playing it at Blaze's.  One of the more engaging shooters I've played.  I don't really see it being solidly competitive, but definitely fun, and fairly challenging.  Collecting new weapons and looting is probably the most enjoyable feature of this game for me.  Kind of reminiscent of Diablo 2's magic weapons; almost all the weapons are variations from a handful of base models.  The weapon detailing is impressive too; weapons tend to look very unique, even weapons that are statistically the same.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2009, 01:27:36 am »
i saw a commercial for this today.
i was like 0.0

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2009, 01:32:03 am »
Haven't watched TV in a few weeks (months?  Hell if I keep track), so I haven't seen the commercials, but I've heard that they're, uh, interesting?  Nobody's actually taken the time to explain to me what it is about the commercials that makes them startling/amusing/whatever. :/
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2009, 01:54:56 am »
Haven't watched TV in a few weeks (months?  Hell if I keep track), so I haven't seen the commercials, but I've heard that they're, uh, interesting?  Nobody's actually taken the time to explain to me what it is about the commercials that makes them startling/amusing/whatever. :/

i think its the quote "87 bazillion guns" that gets most people.

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2009, 01:59:27 am »
Oh, yeah.

That's not the correct figure.  I counted.  It's 86.96853 bazillion, give or take a few mil.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2009, 02:02:24 am »
Oh, yeah.

That's not the correct figure.  I counted.  It's 86.96853 bazillion, give or take a few mil.

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2009, 04:50:04 am »
Okay, so my roomie and I have been playing through this game at the rate of a couple hours every night, and it's getting increasingly more enjoyable as we go.

The reason?

WEAPONS.

Here's what I'm using right now:

-Sniper-
377 damage
93.7 accuracy
0.7 fire rate
6 ammo capacity
2.7x weapon zoom

-Revolver-
81x7 damage
88.1 accuracy
1.2 fire rate
2 ammo capacity
3.7x weapon zoom

-Shotgun-
145x12 damage
19.2 accuracy
can't remember fire rate
2 ammo capacity (why would I need more?  2 crits with this = ~22,000 damage)
2.3x weapon zoom

-SMG-
39x4 damage
79.x accuracy
8.3 fire rate
42 ammo capacity

And the class mod I'm using gives +48% accuracy and +66% crit damage.

In other words, when I pull triggers, things die.

EVERYWHERE. :D
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2009, 04:38:01 pm »
I might get this game and maybe you will be able to PWN me on online mode...

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2009, 04:40:41 pm »
It's pretty worthless for PvP, but the weapons are chilltastic and the storyline is pretty interesting.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2009, 12:12:36 am »
the graphics in this game look crazy epic.
makes me want to play it, but my compy can't even run stepmania xD

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2009, 04:28:18 am »
Get a 360.  The basic models are pretty cheap now.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2009, 07:36:14 am »


HEY, I HEARD YOU LIKE BOARDGAMES...

Well damn >:
where is this?

That is the awesome game shop in downtown Salem.
Kumoricon has meetings there sometime.

I'm gonna have to pick up a copy of Borderlands when I have money.
I wish I could bear to part with some games and get store credit. I love my old games too much to let them go.

Guys, how do I convince Vallie that she'd want to buy this game? She has more money and I've got her hooked on increasing her gamerscore but she's not a twitch gamer. I haven't ever been able to sell her on an FPS.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2009, 11:17:59 am »
Get a 360.  The basic models are pretty cheap now.
i have 10 dollars in spending money this month.
is that enough? lol

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2009, 08:54:48 pm »
Rake leaves for old people.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2009, 11:59:59 pm »
Rake leaves for old people.
Yes. Get on your grind quick, leaves are gonna be gone soon!

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2009, 04:05:12 am »
Ohhhh, Borderlands. My brother went as Nine Toes for Hallowe'en and I spent six hours SIX HOURS on that mask. And now I'm trying to convince him we should go as Mordecai and Lilith to Sakuracon because damn these characters crack me up.

But dude this game. This GAME. I did get tired of Lilith's constant "HAHAHA I'M REALLY GOOD AT THIS" but other than that it was thoroughly enjoyable.

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2009, 05:44:14 pm »
So big, so angry...so dead. ;]

I will never get tired of that line.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #40 on: November 30, 2009, 09:01:27 pm »
i like this game. :D a little addictive while heading into my finals... dang. senioritis.

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2009, 01:42:57 am »


The image fails to disclose that this gun fires nine projectiles. It is my friend and I love it so, because if four or five projectiles hit, the actual damage dealt is in the range of 400 - 500, but that the enemy is taking 7,000 - 8,000 corrosive damage per second.

EDIT: There was something else special about this gun that made it worth around $14000, but I'm too lazy to open Borderlands to find out.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2009, 04:43:00 pm »
I never really got into the corrosive weapons, but that gun is pretty much the Borderlands equivalent of my favourite character build in Diablo 2.  20 points in each poison spell, corpse explosion, and decrepify, and put the bonus points that you get into bone shield.  Basically, run into a group of enemies, decrepify them, poison nova a couple times, stab the biggest one, then run away.  When the big one dies, blow it up to kill the rest.

I'm still using my shotgun that deals 145x11 damage with a 2.7 fire rate.  It only holds two bullets, but "quick hands" fixes that problem.

It crits as high as 45k at point-blank.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2009, 07:54:30 pm »
I'm still using my shotgun that deals 145x11 damage with a 2.7 fire rate.  It only holds two bullets, but "quick hands" fixes that problem.

It crits as high as 45k at point-blank.

Is that Sledge's shotgun?
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2009, 02:48:19 am »
Nope.  That one was actually a little weaker, and quite a bit less accurate.  Lower fire rate too. :P

Also, I'm in love with the Double Anarchy line of SMG's.  Excellent for mowing down Brutes, and one or two of the bullets almost always crit.

edit: btw, that's 1 or 2 per bullet (damage is 79x4), at 8.3 bullets per second and 56 per clip. :>
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2009, 01:21:41 am »
TIME FOR AWESOME DLC!!!



I can tell you after a few hours of playing it is definitely worth the $10. Zombies, everywhere.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #46 on: December 11, 2009, 10:04:21 am »
TIME FOR AWESOME DLC!!!



I can tell you after a few hours of playing it is definitely worth the $10. Zombies, everywhere.

Ahh, you said the magic word: Zombies. Now, I gotta look into this! :D

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2009, 05:44:19 am »
The expansion's pretty fun, but gives off a feeling of being kind of incomplete.  Also, it seems like they meant to release it on Halloween, and just missed some deadlines or something.  The theme is pretty ridiculously prominent.

I like the fact that my sniper rifle is able to obliterate all but the toughest zombies with a good shot to the head (most human enemies take two to five shots even with over 500 damage and 400% on crit).  The midget zombies and zombie psychos are kind of ridiculous though.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2009, 03:17:27 pm »
The midget zombies and zombie psychos are kind of ridiculous though.

This. The scare me when they just run in from behind and decide to murder you.

:/
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2009, 05:39:59 pm »
corrosive weapons work wonders against the Crimson Lance.  I used to use lots of Double Anarchys, but lately I use more elemental weapons on my siren.

I'm not sure if I'm getting the DLC though.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2009, 06:29:16 am »
I almost got into corrosive and shock weapons, then I got the the intrude skill maxed on my hunter and said, "shields?  What shields?"

Being able to take out Guardians with my shotgun is amazingly pleasing. :>
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2009, 02:17:28 pm »
Me and my Hellfire will just be over here...

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2009, 04:41:20 pm »
Nice.  I presume you have the full bonus to elemental damage (diva?), bonus to fire damage (spark?), and the class mod that stacks on both of those skills?

Combustion Hellfire and Double Anarchy SMG's dominate.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2009, 08:04:47 pm »
Nice.  I presume you have the full bonus to elemental damage (diva?), bonus to fire damage (spark?), and the class mod that stacks on both of those skills?

Yup. After I kill someone that gun has something like 12x fire damage. It might burn a lot of people forever.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2009, 08:36:44 pm »
That's the same line/skillset my Roommate's been using lately.  I also gave him a "Hard Volcano" line sniper that I found which deals around 5000 on a crit at level 44 (vs same level) between all of our bonuses.  If I recall correctly he also has a rocket launcher and a shotgun, but rarely has any reason to use them.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2009, 03:38:33 pm »

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2009, 06:26:45 pm »
I don't believe you do... You're a "OMG MODERN WARFARE TWO IS THE BEST GAME THAT HAS EVER BEEN MADE! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" kind of gamer. I believe that the hight of game design was Super Mario Bros 3, and I'm sure that many people would agree with me on that.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2009, 06:39:58 pm »
^ Woah woah woah woah woah woah woah woah woah woah woah woah. I am a HARDCORE gamer. It's just that I am pore and don't feel like getting it VIA torrent. 0_0..But I do have FALLOUT 3 which is pretty similar to this. OH! YOU KNOW HOW HARDCORE I AM. FLIPPING MORTAL KOMBAT AND AFRO SAMURAI..YEA.

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2009, 06:43:49 pm »


Go beat Ninja Gaiden in one sitting, w/o dying, then we'll talk about you being a hardcore gamer.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #59 on: December 28, 2009, 06:54:13 pm »
How about X-blades/Oniblade. That is HARDCORE.

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« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2009, 07:08:08 pm »
This is off-topic.

But seriously, games don't make a gamer hardcore.  The gamer makes the gamer hardcore.  A real hardcore gamer can take any game seriously.  Ever played peggle?  As a hardcore TBS player, I can take that game seriously (yes, even peggle) as an abstract strategy game.  A hardcore gamer breaks every rule, pushes every boundary, and learns every minute detail of a game to make it bend to his will.

That said, playing Borderlands does not automatically classify you into an particular subclassification of gamers.  It doesn't even make you a gamer.  Popping off 10 headshots with a revolver in five seconds no-scope makes you a gamer.

If you want to talk about this further (which I don't advise, because if ha~ma sees a conversation like this, he's gonna trump everyone here), make a new topic for it.  Otherwise, I start deleting posts to get this thread back on topic.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #61 on: December 28, 2009, 07:43:35 pm »
EXCUSE ME!

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #62 on: January 04, 2010, 11:41:47 am »
10 bucks says the Siren dies first.

...I call Siren.

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« Reply #63 on: January 04, 2010, 08:28:53 pm »
10 bucks says the Siren dies first.

...I call Siren.

Phasewalk--melee one hit kill.

Dude, final boss was... that's it? What now? 2nd playthrough? ~~~~~~~ hummmmmm

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #64 on: January 04, 2010, 08:33:26 pm »
10 bucks says the Siren dies first.

...I call Siren.

Phasewalk--melee one hit kill.

Dude, final boss was... that's it? What now? 2nd playthrough? ~~~~~~~ hummmmmm

Yes, however, rebuttal-
Rocket launcher to the FACE = 1-hit kill.
And Sledge, too.

Then we move on to the THIRD playthrough!  What fun!  Level 50's for ALL!

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #65 on: January 05, 2010, 07:35:17 pm »
I'm trying to put together a d20 campaign for this game. I should, in theory, have it ready by Kumori.


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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #66 on: January 05, 2010, 08:39:19 pm »
Oh, hells, yeah!

I would SO be there.

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« Reply #67 on: January 05, 2010, 10:16:28 pm »
Siren can actually stack the crap out of shield to become almost indestructible.  My roommate has 1750 shield and 900 health with Siren and it isn't even a very good shield.  The hunter is really the only class that's particularly vulnerable.
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« Reply #68 on: January 05, 2010, 11:14:07 pm »
I'm trying to put together a d20 campaign for this game. I should, in theory, have it ready by Kumori.
I wanna play it!!!
Soldier with Weapon Focus combat Rifle and Shotguns, yet I still love my incendiary sniper.
Although you would only have 4 classes that both male and female characters could have, (Male siren, female soldier etc.) there's also the upgrade packs that give you class archetypes.

I haven't played Borderlands in so long at my friend's house. I consider it the adventure version of call of duty. It uses roughly the same controls, but gives you space to go ANYwhere and shoot ANYthing with ANY weapon.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #69 on: January 07, 2010, 04:44:54 pm »
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #70 on: January 07, 2010, 06:13:03 pm »
Oh, come on, can't we get BEYOND Thunderdome?

Oh, yeah, how many times do you get to use that joke, never, baby, never!

How would loot be determined, though?  Just a dice roll for each element?  That would be a lot...

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #71 on: January 07, 2010, 09:00:51 pm »
In the do-it-yourself dungeon in the D&D 3rd ed player's handbook, you determine what level of treasure is being guarded and how many monsters are guarding it. Then you roll three times, to determine if the treasure's are coins, works of art or gems, masterwork or magical items arms or armor.

In the case of Borderlands, most loot will be in the form of guns, shields, health kits, cash, ammo, grenades, grenade mods, and class mods. Red chests and silver chests contain guns and mods along with 4 ammo clips for the guns, and maybe 4 grenades, black chests just contain piles of ammo. Most guns and mods have a minimum level required to use them, and with higher level weapons comes higher accuracy, damage and fire rate.

Determining a gun's maker can also tell what qualities it has. One company only makes elemental weapons.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #72 on: January 12, 2010, 09:12:41 pm »
Bump, for not a J-RPG.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #73 on: January 12, 2010, 11:12:15 pm »
god this game is amazing >.< uhm whos on psn? just finished my first playthrough, havent bothered getting it online yet...
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« Reply #74 on: January 12, 2010, 11:34:38 pm »
FPS games are only good on the PC. 'Nuff said.
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« Reply #75 on: January 13, 2010, 05:37:52 am »
FPS is pretty legit on 360.  But I would agree that the most correct way to play an FPS would be a mouse/joystick/keyboard combo on a PC.  Not really an option for folks like me though.
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« Reply #76 on: January 13, 2010, 10:15:35 am »
well.... my pc sux arse so when i have to choose between perma-lag and a ps3... thats an easy choice... elitist.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #77 on: January 13, 2010, 11:13:20 am »
Tofu, you can plug a mouse and keyboard into a 360, you know.

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« Reply #78 on: January 13, 2010, 12:52:14 pm »
But can you calibrate them to work properly with most games? :O

My general understanding of the 360 is that Microsoft designed it specifically so it wouldn't be compatible with 3rd party controllers, so I assumed that mice and keyboards would be included.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #79 on: January 13, 2010, 04:27:56 pm »
But can you calibrate them to work properly with most games? :O

My general understanding of the 360 is that Microsoft designed it specifically so it wouldn't be compatible with 3rd party controllers, so I assumed that mice and keyboards would be included.

People have tried:

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=13000

But they aren't very good at all on Xbox games. Xbox games are designed to have a continuous acceleration controller (like an Xbox controller joystick) not instantaneous acceleration (like from a PC gaming mouse).
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #80 on: January 14, 2010, 06:47:27 pm »
So i've been wondering about the weapon proficiency levels, is there a max level? and if so what is it?
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #81 on: January 15, 2010, 01:47:31 am »
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« Reply #82 on: January 15, 2010, 01:56:11 am »
for weapon proficiency too?
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #83 on: January 15, 2010, 10:28:07 am »
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #84 on: January 19, 2010, 09:50:26 am »
I have been eyeballing this game since release...just hate forking over $60 for games & then forking over another $30+ in downloadable content (hello $130 for Fallout 3 that was released later as Game of the Year edition >:( ). Waiting to use my edge card on a used copy that is $50 or less.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #85 on: January 19, 2010, 10:04:32 am »
That's how I generally am too.  Which is why I was really happy when MHFU was only $30 retail.  $30 for 400+ hours of gameplay?  YES PLEASE.

Granted, I've actually only put about 60 hours into it since I bought it in July (my hunting partner, ha~ma, got burnt out from MHF2 and MHP2G after about 700 hours and 4 different characters), but that's still a better hourly rate than I get out of most games.

Anyway, I don't really agree with the price of games these days, especially when the market is so oversaturated and considering that we're in a recession.  I personally can't afford to play most of the games I ought to without pirating them or borrowing them, and I really dislike pirating well-made games because, again, the market is oversaturated with BAD games.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #86 on: January 19, 2010, 10:25:00 am »
MHF2. <3

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #87 on: January 19, 2010, 10:31:25 am »
So sad but true DancingTofu...I always buy my games & movies used these days & wait until the price is a lot lower as well. There are tons of games out right now that I would like to buy but everytime I think I made up my mind to spend the money, I don't. I stand in the store looking at them in my hand for a while...then 99 times out of 100 I end up putting them down & leaving empty handed because I can't allow myself to spend that kind of money.

If anyone is still playing Borderlands when I finally pick up a copy, I would like to play some co-op!

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #88 on: January 24, 2010, 01:00:30 am »
2k+ hours on MH2 variants lol  (- somewhere around 1-300 sleeping?) (P2 F2 P2g F2G). I'll bring my memcard tomorrow anyway just in case to get in a couple of games.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #89 on: January 24, 2010, 06:54:12 am »
I have been eyeballing this game since release...just hate forking over $60 for games & then forking over another $30+ in downloadable content (hello $130 for Fallout 3 that was released later as Game of the Year edition >:( ). Waiting to use my edge card on a used copy that is $50 or less.

I see your point, but let me tell you something.

This is the first FPS I've played the crap out of since the original Perfect Dark. I logged well over 150 hours on that game.

I've only one of the DLC packs, beat the game as the soldier, hit 50. Good times.

Then I started a new game as a Siren. I'm still loving this game. I've logged over 72 hours on this gam as of today. Most I've logged on a 360 game (including Fallout 3, Forza 2, and friggin Rock Band.)

Buy the damned game already.


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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #90 on: January 25, 2010, 07:31:50 am »
$60 is still $60 lol...I will be waiting for a better price no matter how awsome it is. Very few PS3 games have I paid full price for...when you can get it used cheaper from GameStop, no point in full price anymore. Especially when you consider the fact that BlueRay discs are VERY hard to scratch & they won't take trade-ins that are. Plus, when you own your own home among other expenses...burning $60 in winter when hours are slow isn't a good idea lol.

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« Reply #91 on: January 25, 2010, 10:45:36 pm »
I've gotten 72+ (3 days) worth of playtime out of the game. I assume you'll get about 30. I think $2/hr for a game is rather reasonable, and if you play it longer, like I have, It'll get you more mileage.


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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #92 on: January 26, 2010, 02:09:54 pm »
I don't have much time to sit & play games for long periods of time anymore...so it would take a while to justify the cost even with that logic lol.

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« Reply #93 on: January 26, 2010, 09:33:30 pm »
NEED MORE DLC. RAWR.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #94 on: January 27, 2010, 05:53:21 am »
Well, free DLC.  I've never bought anything online that I couldn't physically hold in my hand in my life!

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #95 on: January 27, 2010, 07:25:00 am »
DLc should be free...paying $60 is enough to have rights to that IMO.

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« Reply #96 on: January 27, 2010, 06:34:02 pm »
Paid DLC is the only reason games like Rock Band and Guitar Hero didn't completely fall flat.  That's like saying that expansions or limited edition material should be free.  The video game industry is priced by demand because the supply curve is elastic.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #97 on: January 28, 2010, 07:50:55 am »
Yet they are still guilty of over-inflating costs...you can't tell me with all honesty that they aren't making insane amounts of money. Most of those people drive half-million dollar cars just for commute to work. Fine, charge for DLC, but charge $5 instead of $10 & don't sell the original for $60 or more...try $40 & see how many more people buy new games.

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« Reply #98 on: January 28, 2010, 11:24:27 am »
Um... There's  a reason that these games cost $60 for XBox and $50 for PC. I don't know if you ever watched the credits for something like Borderland or Mass Effect, but it lists well over 400 people that worked on the game.

So lets take 400 people, 2 years, paying them $65,000 (which is low BTW) and you get $58,000,000. So yeah, games cost just a little to make.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #99 on: January 28, 2010, 12:23:05 pm »
Hey so not to ask the same question twice but does anyone know if the weapon proficiency has a level cap? i assume its 100 or some unattainable number that your never actually supposed to reach. Has anyone reached it?
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« Reply #100 on: January 28, 2010, 06:39:07 pm »
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« Reply #101 on: January 28, 2010, 09:08:53 pm »
Um... There's  a reason that these games cost $60 for XBox and $50 for PC. I don't know if you ever watched the credits for something like Borderland or Mass Effect, but it lists well over 400 people that worked on the game.

So lets take 400 people, 2 years, paying them $65,000 (which is low BTW) and you get $58,000,000. So yeah, games cost just a little to make.
Just like union worker in car facilities...OVERPAID

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« Reply #102 on: January 28, 2010, 09:16:12 pm »
Um... There's  a reason that these games cost $60 for XBox and $50 for PC. I don't know if you ever watched the credits for something like Borderland or Mass Effect, but it lists well over 400 people that worked on the game.

So lets take 400 people, 2 years, paying them $65,000 (which is low BTW) and you get $58,000,000. So yeah, games cost just a little to make.
Just like union worker in car facilities...OVERPAID

I'm sorry, but $65,000 is low for the computer science industry. Base salary is usually around $80,000.

I'm sorry if you think this is unfair for some reason, but finding good computer scientists is hard. They devote pretty much the time from when they were born to their early 20s learning EVERYTHING they need to know about programming, data structures, etc. (I should know, I am one.) This usually involves at least a masters degree and most likely a doctorate.

We work hard to make that much. So quit your complaining and get a degree that will allow you to make that much if you want to.
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« Reply #103 on: January 29, 2010, 05:04:28 am »
Hey so not to ask the same question twice but does anyone know if the weapon proficiency has a level cap? i assume its 100 or some unattainable number that your never actually supposed to reach. Has anyone reached it?
It's 50...and the link I provided to GameFAQs.com when you asked earlier explicitly answers that exact question and required only a few seconds for me to find. :P

As for the pricing argument, Decreasing the price of a game by $20 will decrease the amount that the game nets as a total.  The licensing company (Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo for any console game) will get the same amount per copy.  They net a profit.  The publisher (Sony, Nintendo, Konami, Sega, Atari, Midway, Ubisoft, et cetera) will get the same amount per copy.  The net a profit.  The developer (Bungie, Gearbox, Capcom, Bemani, Bethesda, Blizzard, Square Enix, RoXoR, et cetera) will receive an amount equal to n-(Ln)-(Pn)-(m+d), where n is the number of copies of the game sole, L is the licensing fee per game sold, P is the publishing fee per game sold, m is the manufacturing cost, and d is the development cost.  A lucky, successful developer will break even.  In other words, they'll be able to pay full development salaries without going bankrupt or laying off development staff, and they'll continue to produce more excellent games in the future.  The unlucky ones don't achieve a profit, and get purchased by their Publisher or Licensor.*

Increasing the cost of games allows development companies to make the best games and gives honest, hard-working people great jobs.  The price tag isn't pretty, but it's really not up to you to change.  Publishers and Licensors will continue to hold developers under their thumb as long as they can control the market.  That's why I'm a computer gamer.  It's easier for Developers to get games published and licensed for PC than for any major console because the hardware and firmware are so open-ended.  Don't want to pay $60 for Borderlands?  Get the PC version for $50, or cheaper used.  It's a better way to play and a larger percentage of your expenses will go towards supporting the developers.

* I'm not 100% sure this is exactly how the industry operates at the moment, but I'm very certain that my point still stands: a drop in price and increase in sales will generally net a profit for publishers and licensors and a deficit for developers.  I'm also intentionally leaving out retailers because retailers don't set a base price; they just sell games for whatever price best reflects the demand curve.
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« Reply #104 on: January 29, 2010, 07:09:33 am »
Um... There's  a reason that these games cost $60 for XBox and $50 for PC. I don't know if you ever watched the credits for something like Borderland or Mass Effect, but it lists well over 400 people that worked on the game.

So lets take 400 people, 2 years, paying them $65,000 (which is low BTW) and you get $58,000,000. So yeah, games cost just a little to make.
Just like union worker in car facilities...OVERPAID


I'm sorry, but $65,000 is low for the computer science industry. Base salary is usually around $80,000.

I'm sorry if you think this is unfair for some reason, but finding good computer scientists is hard. They devote pretty much the time from when they were born to their early 20s learning EVERYTHING they need to know about programming, data structures, etc. (I should know, I am one.) This usually involves at least a masters degree and most likely a doctorate.

We work hard to make that much. So quit your complaining and get a degree that will allow you to make that much if you want to.
Don't lecture me as if you know a single thing about my work or my life. I work my a** off every day & have been for more years than you could probably fathom.  I OWN MY HOUSE...MY CARS...MY PROPERTY. Where is your studio apt. located again? Or maybe its just the basement in mom's house? Don't patronize me. Think before you try to lecture people you don't know & keep your self-centered OPINION to yourself.

As for the cost...not a soul in this world can whole-heartedly say that inflation hasn't directly affected all of this.
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« Reply #105 on: January 29, 2010, 01:20:50 pm »
Inflation only represents numbers.  It does not represent value, so that's kind of a moot point.
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« Reply #106 on: January 29, 2010, 04:08:58 pm »
Um... There's  a reason that these games cost $60 for XBox and $50 for PC. I don't know if you ever watched the credits for something like Borderland or Mass Effect, but it lists well over 400 people that worked on the game.

So lets take 400 people, 2 years, paying them $65,000 (which is low BTW) and you get $58,000,000. So yeah, games cost just a little to make.
Just like union worker in car facilities...OVERPAID

I take great offense to this.

I work in the industry (If you think I am lying, go ahead and look for my name in the Fable II credits). A lot of these games do cost a lot of money to make, to say that I for one, don't deserve to be paid and that a $60 price tag isn't fair is a slap in the face to my industry. You're basically saying that I can right screw off and get minimum wage for my hard (sometimes 100 hours a week) work to make sure that the game ships with as few bugs and issues as possible.

Also, not everyone lives with their parents. Your post attacking Tofu makes you look like a self-important person, and again, the rest of us can right screw off. Also, I'd like to point out something really quick:

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Don't lecture me as if you know a single thing about my work or my life. I work my a** off every day & have been for more years than you could probably fathom.  I OWN MY HOUSE...MY CARS...MY PROPERTY. Where is your studio apt. located again? Or maybe its just the basement in mom's house? Don't patronize me. Think before you try to lecture people you don't know & keep your self-centered OPINION to yourself.

I've bolded those two things to point out your hypocrisy. You're saying not to assume your life or work, and then you go off and assume other people's. Just saying. Not everyone here is a stereotypical gamer, and you really have no right assuming everyone in this thread is.


I will also point out to you quite a few games on the SNES ran for $70, and people still bought them; people will pay money for something if they really want it, and moreson if they are going to get quite a bit of playtime out of it.


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Offline DancingTofu

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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #107 on: January 29, 2010, 04:48:42 pm »
I don't really disagree with having this discussion, but it may be necessary to start a new topic for it so this thread doesn't get jacked.  Any takers?  I can try to split it but it wouldn't be a clean split.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #108 on: January 29, 2010, 05:01:50 pm »
I will also point out to you quite a few games on the SNES ran for $70, and people still bought them; people will pay money for something if they really want it, and moreson if they are going to get quite a bit of playtime out of it.

Hell, I'll pay WAY over $70 for some SNES games. Like Earthbound. Oh my sack I want a copy of Earthbound.

I don't really disagree with having this discussion, but it may be necessary to start a new topic for it so this thread doesn't get jacked.  Any takers?  I can try to split it but it wouldn't be a clean split.

And if you could just split it where Cyprus and I started or discussion that would work I think. Just make the topic called "video game industry" or something like that.
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Re: Borderlands
« Reply #109 on: January 29, 2010, 07:24:32 pm »
I couldn't find a good split point.  Please use this thread to continue this discussion, and everyone remember to please be civil and open-minded when sharing your thoughts.
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