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WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« on: June 13, 2009, 11:05:27 am »
Well i finally started playing this most vaunted of games, and it mostly lives up to the hype. Years of peer pressure and annoying jargon have caught up with me, so about a week ago, my friends helped me roll up a Blood Elf Rogue on SmolderThorn.

I will say, that starting this late in the game is a bit of a pain, as it seems like everybody is a lvl 80 or close to it. It is nice, however, to receive mageweave bags in the mail at level 22 from a friends lvl 80.

One thing i don't like, however, is that some people seem to treat the game like a chore, instead of playing to have fun. Why do they even bother playing?

Second: while i would never play a PvE server, do people really have nothing better to do than gank people 40 lvls below them?
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Re: WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2009, 01:24:28 am »
In my on-line experience, people will never tire of killing lower level characters, or ever stop team killing, or leave the game when they are about to lose.

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Re: WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2009, 01:27:02 pm »
Well i finally started playing this most vaunted of games, and it mostly lives up to the hype. Years of peer pressure and annoying jargon have caught up with me, so about a week ago, my friends helped me roll up a Blood Elf Rogue on SmolderThorn.

I will say, that starting this late in the game is a bit of a pain, as it seems like everybody is a lvl 80 or close to it. It is nice, however, to receive mageweave bags in the mail at level 22 from a friends lvl 80.

One thing i don't like, however, is that some people seem to treat the game like a chore, instead of playing to have fun. Why do they even bother playing?

Second: while i would never play a PvE server, do people really have nothing better to do than gank people 40 lvls below them?
1st question: Because that is exactly what the game becomes. A job. That is all the end game is.

2nd question: Yes, because of the answer to question number 1.

I had renewed my account a couple months ago and barely started playing again before I lost interest in the game so I just sold everything I had and gave the money to guildies.
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Re: WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2009, 10:48:12 pm »
Well. I do love WoW. I agree, I dont get why people are so freaking serious about the damned game. It is a GAME. Which is supposed to be fun. So when people start getting annoyed at me because im not reading forums and looking at 'the best spec' I tell them to eff off bc I play for fun and not to be the top dps or whatever. Which funnily enough, I used to be like top gear before we left, but I'm pretty decent now. Ranking like 5th. Damned mages.

And the real answer to q2 is because Alliance are 12 year olds that cant kill there own level and have nothing left that they can accomplish. It's worse when there are 10+ 70s or 80s killing Tarren Mill. WTH. TM is only lvl 25-30.
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Re: WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2009, 10:55:30 pm »
It's the same vibe that pushed me away from Diablo 2 again.  I got to the point where I would only ever play private games, meaning I wouldn't play when I didn't have friends online.
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Re: WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2009, 01:25:55 am »
is there really a Sword of a Thousand Truths, as seen in the South Park episode?
In my on-line experience, people will never tire of killing lower level characters, or ever stop team killing, or leave the game when they are about to lose.
Also that's what I used to do playing Pokemon when facing a gym leader or the elite four. Save, battle, then turn off if you lose rather than lose half your money from a silly mistake. Tried that in Pearl in the battle tower and they disqualify you if you switch off without saving. Nintendo caught on I guess.
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Re: WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2009, 02:24:00 am »
The key to the elite for (for me) was always just to haul around a level 90 Legendary as my "oh no all my other pokemon are dead" last resort.  I don't get people who try to cheat games by doing crap like that.  I'll quit a game when I die, but the opportunity cost of constantly saving and quitting isn't greater than the cost of dying.  Like, ever.

I've never encountered a game where you lose more from dying than you could make in the time it takes to avoid those losses.  At least not a game that I felt was worth my time.  Even in Diablo2, I can make 2mil in, like, 10 minutes if I'm farming for cash, and the exp. loss isn't that significant either.  Takes maybe 15 minutes to get it back.  Takes longer than that to get my computer to connect and enter a game.

I guess that's part of why I avoid WoW, and really don't enjoy Diablo2 except private games.  I don't want to deal with retarded people who think that bypassing elements of gameplay doesn't make playing the game totally pointless.  In fact, pretty much every online game has those people.  It's annoying as hell.
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Re: WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2009, 03:24:40 am »
And the real answer to q2 is because Alliance are 12 year olds that cant kill there own level and have nothing left that they can accomplish. It's worse when there are 10+ 70s or 80s killing Tarren Mill. WTH. TM is only lvl 25-30.
Eh..you can't really push that on Alliance, because the pvp server I played on I saw plenty of horde doing it. Hell even the pve server I saw plenty of horde just hanging out in lowbie towns killing quest npcs for fun.

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Re: WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2009, 02:31:55 pm »
Well i finally started playing this most vaunted of games, and it mostly lives up to the hype. Years of peer pressure and annoying jargon have caught up with me, so about a week ago, my friends helped me roll up a Blood Elf Rogue on SmolderThorn.

I will say, that starting this late in the game is a bit of a pain, as it seems like everybody is a lvl 80 or close to it. It is nice, however, to receive mageweave bags in the mail at level 22 from a friends lvl 80.

One thing i don't like, however, is that some people seem to treat the game like a chore, instead of playing to have fun. Why do they even bother playing?

Second: while i would never play a PvE server, do people really have nothing better to do than gank people 40 lvls below them?

I'm a month late on this, but I just want to put my two cents in here :)

1 & 2. I agree with Trumby on this one. Once you get to end game, it becomes almost like a second job, but it really depends on WHY you're playing the game and not what others want you to do. For instance, you can just have fun and do achievements, or pvp/do arena, or raid. Raiding's usually the biggest/most popular option, since people want to get the best gear for their toon. And to get the best gear, you have to commit yourself to a guild that's going through progression and keep up with the raiding schedule, which makes it feel like a job sometimes ^__^ or just be like me and be lazy about it and PUG everything haha.

3. It's boredom, and partly "revenge". I'm sure once you hit the lvl cap you'll probably think you should have some fun and gank some lowbies.

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Re: WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2009, 03:03:53 am »
I started june 16th 2008, and just recently stopped playing. it was taking a lot of room on my harddrive, and i also didn't have any game time. i think i might just get an external HD. but i think that people on PVP realms only gank noobs because,
1. they get honor
2. it's a fun story to tell
3. it's just addictive
4. when you camp someone, their attempts to escape are so pathetic they are funny
5. who hasn't haxor'ed a noob on a PVP realm before?

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Re: WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2009, 01:05:48 pm »
I started june 16th 2008, and just recently stopped playing. it was taking a lot of room on my harddrive, and i also didn't have any game time. i think i might just get an external HD. but i think that people on PVP realms only gank noobs because,
1. they get honor
2. it's a fun story to tell
3. it's just addictive
4. when you camp someone, their attempts to escape are so pathetic they are funny
5. who hasn't haxor'ed a noob on a PVP realm before?
umm, you dont get honor unless they're within 5 levels of you. So that doesnt really apply.


Well, I've been playing over a month now, and my views on many things have changed, while some remain the same. I'm now a well-equipped (mostly!) lvl 52, and the game has changed dramatically.

Ganking: This really depends on what actually happens. I, for instance, see ganking (now) as a extension of the war that is occuring between our separate factions. As a Hordie, its my job to kill alliance scum, whenever I encounter them. This is mostly do. I don't camp though. While being killed is a natural even in war, someone camping your body is cheap, and gains you little. Especially when my buddies show up on their mains and rape the hell out of you. Then camp you in retaliation.

I usually draw the line at lvl 30, unless they are attacking or otherwise fighting Horde PCs. Then they're asking for it.

Level balance: 80s are no longer intimidating. Instead, I see them as a resource, cause I can usually count on a guildie to run me thru an instance or escort me thru ally territory to grab an FP. It is also fun being ganked, and then watching as a pally, hunter and mage show up and run a train on the guy who got me.

The endgame matter is still the same. I understand is your guild is too small to field a whole group for Naxx25, but stop complaining about it! When it will be a year at the very least till a new expansion, you have plenty of time before you need to be geared for Icecrown Citadel. If you start getting bored, make an alt! Come back later when you aren't frustrated with that asshole who ninja'd that epic then left.

My initial concerns have been replaced with new and interesting problems

Money: untill recently, i had less than 100 gold. I now make more than enough to pay for anything I need. Farming is a pain, but with the amount of reward i get, it is worth my time.

Grouping: when will tanks stop leaving pugs after the second boss? And why is that silly SOB trying to tank with a two-handed axe? Where is his shield? Why is that shammy trying to tank? Is he stupid? Why does that lock keep sending his stupid minion to the next group of mobs while the healer is still drinking? PUGs are a recipe for lulz, as I have found out very quickly. Unfortunately, there are two people in my guild at my level range, and one never plays anymore, and the other has a latency of 1300+. oh joy. And people, for the love of god, if you're playing a warrior or pally, tell people you're arms or ret or whatever, before the first pull, so we can find someone who CAN tank! Don't get me started on shadow priests....

Questing presents many of the same problems. My server is heavily popped with 80's, and below 40 alts. between that, there is a pre-BC only guild, and a few 50-60 ranged players. 40-55 quest areas are deserted on weekdays, and gain maybe 5 players on weekends.

I'm still going strong though
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Re: WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2009, 01:50:18 pm »
quoteeee :D

- I also think the mentality of killing the opposite faction is really interesting. You don't have to kill the person, but you choose to because "they're the enemy". Kind of interesting that under other circumstances, I wouldn't care, but if that guy is tagged red, he's gonna be dead >:]

- 25 Naxx was so last patch, lol. It's all about Ulduar now [I'm behind on the progression curve because I haven't raided in months and don't really want to buckle down to a schedule]. Progression is so much work haha.

- Don't worry so much about money, you'll make a lot of it just by leveling (and the right profs!); avoid the auction house like the plague unless you ABSOLUTELY need something (to complete a quest, for instance). Buying gear is a waste because it'll be replaced in a few levels anyway. I learned that the hard way on my first toon XD

- question: was that SOB a death knight tank? cos dks tank using 2h weapons. Other than that, pallies/warriors should be using 1h/shield lol. And PUGs are always terrible. Whenever I ran instances I tried to keep it exclusively all guildmates, and if that wasn't possible we'd PUG dps (because we've ran into too many retarded tanks/healers). not saying that dps can't be scrubs...we can carry those SOBs lol

- questing is actually a lot easier by yourself than being in a group; if you always quest in a group the xp is a lot less, but if it's just one other person that's fine.

- another question: do you use any addons?

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Re: WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2009, 04:12:14 pm »
quoteeee :D

- I also think the mentality of killing the opposite faction is really interesting. You don't have to kill the person, but you choose to because "they're the enemy". Kind of interesting that under other circumstances, I wouldn't care, but if that guy is tagged red, he's gonna be dead >:]

- 25 Naxx was so last patch, lol. It's all about Ulduar now [I'm behind on the progression curve because I haven't raided in months and don't really want to buckle down to a schedule]. Progression is so much work haha.

- Don't worry so much about money, you'll make a lot of it just by leveling (and the right profs!); avoid the auction house like the plague unless you ABSOLUTELY need something (to complete a quest, for instance). Buying gear is a waste because it'll be replaced in a few levels anyway. I learned that the hard way on my first toon XD

- question: was that SOB a death knight tank? cos dks tank using 2h weapons. Other than that, pallies/warriors should be using 1h/shield lol. And PUGs are always terrible. Whenever I ran instances I tried to keep it exclusively all guildmates, and if that wasn't possible we'd PUG dps (because we've ran into too many retarded tanks/healers). not saying that dps can't be scrubs...we can carry those SOBs lol

- questing is actually a lot easier by yourself than being in a group; if you always quest in a group the xp is a lot less, but if it's just one other person that's fine.

- another question: do you use any addons?
Not what i meant: they're farming Naxx for the few people who dont have gear. They do Uld every week.

No DKs at 35, which is what he was. Pally, and he didnt speak english. Oh and get this: he couldnt rez! OMFG!

The AH is all right. I use it only for health potions and things i can't make, yet need. it also makes me a buttload of money. I dont usually buy gear there, and even then, I only pay for bargains. How people survived before Auctioneer is beyond me. Sure, i have a bunch of crafted blues, and even an awesome epic main hand sword, but they are all presents from a particular friend...that silly mage.

I understand the xp drain of group questing, but with the reduced downtime for bandaging and eating a healer provides, I can get an equal amount of xp in a similar amount of time, and take on quests higher than my level. I also enjoy myself more in a group, and, as my entire purpose in this game is to have fun, I achieve my goals better when in a group.

addons: Auctioneer is essential to me, as is Questhelper, and a DPS meter. if im running other addons, i dont know about it, because a friend installed the whole shebang for me. I will say that they are all incredibly useful.
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Re: WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2009, 08:29:04 pm »
Ah nice nice that clarified a lot XD

I meant avoid the AH for buying gear...I should've made myself clear. It's an awesome resource to make money :D

I remember the first toon I leveled I was always looking for groups. But as time went on I developed my own leveling style and have gotten faster at it, I don't look for groups unless I have to because 90% of the time it slows me down.

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Re: WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2009, 10:01:26 am »
Hey there, Logan, what is your problem with Shadow Priests, eh?! Back in BC times I could tank Auchindon instances.
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Re: WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2009, 10:27:14 am »
I don't play WoW myself, but for those of you who do, Sam Raimi (Spider-Man) is going to be making a WoW movie after he makes Spider-Man 4. Anyone think this is a good idea?

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Re: WoW: Some thoughts from a noob
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2009, 04:11:50 pm »
I don't play WoW myself, but for those of you who do, Sam Raimi (Spider-Man) is going to be making a WoW movie after he makes Spider-Man 4. Anyone think this is a good idea?

If you do, I just have four words for you: Legend of the Seeker

I'm excited! I'm just glad it's not Michael Bay who's directing (read: Transformers; read: no plot, big explosions and lots of female parts). Never saw the second one, but I saw the first one and I've heard so many bad reviews about the second I decided no to waste my money :]

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