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Convention Community => Off-Topic => Topic started by: Gryffinclaw Princess on October 03, 2010, 10:16:02 pm
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So, it has come to my attention that quite a few people on the forums lack the grammatical skills taught in grade school.
I have concluded that perhaps this is because they have forgotten these lessons despite their necessity in life.
Therefore, I have decided to help those who have forgotten and refresh their memory with this thread. (I am not a grammar Nazi but I do appreciate a well written/typed sentence.)
Feel free to toss in your own two cents about what you think people need to remember about grammar!
Lesson One: There, Their, They're
There - A place | The car is over there.
Their - Ownership | That is their car.
They're - They are | They're washing the car.
Lesson Two: To, Too, Two
To - Direction/Motion | I am going to the store
Too - A lot, Also | There is too much. OR I am going, too.
Two - A number | There are two cats.
Lesson Three: Your, You're
Your - Ownership | Is that your dog?
You're - You are | You're an idiot.
Lesson Four: 'i' before 'e'
"This is only true after the letter 'c'" is a lie. (Weird, Neighbor, Weigh, Weight, etc.)
Lesson Five: l337
if u type liek dis den we shot u (If you type like this, then we will shoot you.)
Seriously, type like a normal human being.
Lesson Six: Alot
I love this Alot (http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html).
Lesson Seven: CAPITALS (For Reppy only)
THIS DOES NOT MEAN SHOUTING ANYMORE. It just means you want attention which will not be given because you are posting in an annoying way.
Lesson Eight: No, Know
No - A denial | No, I did not kill that man.
Know - Intellect | I know the answer.
Lesson Nine: Its, It's
Its - Ownership | Its paint job is nice.
It's - It is | It's not that pretty.
Lesson Ten: Choose, Chose
Choose - Present | I choose you, Pikachu!
Chose - Past | I chose Bulbasaur...!
Lesson Eleven: Loose, Lose
Loose - Not tight | That bow is loose.
Lose - Did not win | You lose.
Lesson Twelve: Our, Hour
Our - Possessive "we" | That is our house.
Hour - Time | It is in the twelfth hour.
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Addition:
Your - Shows ownership. "Is that your dog?"
You're - the contraction of 'you are'. "You're very welcome."
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I don't know if this is just me or not, and I'm not sure how to phrase it as nicely as you guys have been doing, but punctuation is key. Commas, periods, semicolons, apostrophes, whatever it takes, they are important! Otherwise all meaning behing a statement can be completely garbled and taken in a way seperate from how it was intended.
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If I can find a way to put that into a lesson, I will add that. >.>
But at this moment, I don't know how to phrase it where people would understand how to use them.
I think I will go hit up a dictionary to directly define the punctuation itself and maybe I can do it that way...?
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and if u type liek dis n no1 no's wut ur tlkin about and STOP. Just stop. Type like a normal, literate human being and the rest of us that MANAGE to will grace you with a response.
This blog post pretty much sums up some grammar for me:
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
So unless you want people to think you only have two fingers or you're a bald eagle, type like you want everyone to understand you. :)
And remember, kids: The Alot is better than you at everything.
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This previous post pretty much sums up PEOPLE WHO STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S LINKS THAT SPECIFICALLY PASTED IT FOR THEM AND THEN DON'T HAVE THE DECENCY TO MENTION THAT AWESOME PERSON THAT ORIGINALLY LINKED IT TO THEM.
Just sayin'.
;D
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Omg, jeez. REPPY TOTALLY LINKED THAT TO ME LIKE A WEEK OR SO AGO, GUYS.
Big baby.
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Thanks. I actually smiled.
;)
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THANK YOU! This thread is much needed for some certain people......... >u>
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Thanks. I actually smiled.
;)
*Mutter*
Your name's not capitalized.
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For some reason I think that Lesson Seven was directed towards me. >___>
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wow jus wow
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^Wow, just wow.
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OOH. THAT FELT GOOD.
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PERFECT THREAD.
And Nando, it's "just" not "jus"
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im JUST a dam human.i make mistakes that jus was ment to have a t but my finger sliped and hit done. Sorry
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Look, you said earlier you don't type correctly because of 'laziness'. In my opinion laziness is a bad excuse.
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im JUST a dam human.i make mistakes that jus was ment to have a t but my finger sliped and hit done. Sorry
Just take your time to review what you post.
ALSO I RESENT LESSON NUMBER SEVEN.
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im JUST a dam human.i make mistakes that jus was ment to have a t but my finger sliped and hit done. Sorry
Honey, look at this sentence and tell me that you have learned something.
:3c
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i can be both! Why i posted here i dont even no
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Your finger seems to slip a looooooooooot...
Perhaps you should wash your hands :3
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i can be both! Why i posted here i dont even no
Nando just brought another rule to us.
"No" and "Know", there is a difference.
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im JUST a dam human.i make mistakes that jus was ment to have a t but my finger sliped and hit done. Sorry
Just take your time to review what you post.
ALSO I RESENT LESSON NUMBER SEVEN.
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For some reason I think that Lesson Seven was directed towards me. >___>
8D
Classy : I figured people would. XP I only put it up because of Reppy's post.
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Know vs No: There is no reason not to know.
There is your lesson Number Eight.
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im JUST a dam human.i make mistakes that jus was ment to have a t but my finger sliped and hit done. Sorry
Just take your time to review what you post.
ALSO I RESENT LESSON NUMBER SEVEN.
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OH I HEAR YOU MAN.
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"I'm JUST a damn human. I make mistakes that I didn't mean to do, but my finger slipped. Sorry." I'm sorry but I counted at least 5 or 6 spelling and grammar errors. Also even if it was a slip of the key you COULD proof read your post before posting. Then you could fix all of your errors :3
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Reppy just yelled at me in caps, so sometimes it IS used for yelling. He hurt my FEELINGS.
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So were you yelling the words "IS" and "FEELINGS?" Or was that for EMPHASIS, like in THIS SENTENCE?
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It was for EMPHASIS because you're a JERK. Hmph.
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Lesson Seven: CAPITALS (For Reppy only)
THIS DOES NOT MEAN SHOUTING ANYMORE. It just means you want attention which will not be given because you are posting in an annoying way.
All better now, yes? ^^
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Yeah, that seems about right. ;<
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Point one - When I saw this thread, I first thought that it was talking about a college course. Mine was fun; we'd get extra credit just because we'd show up on days where it was sunny outside.
Point two - I'm so glad that someone has started making this type of thread. People need to read it and have it grafted into their minds.
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This thread makes me happy. I'm glad that I'm not alone in the grammatically correct world. :'3
Hehe, caught myself making a little mistake. xp
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Mice type annoys me. It's bad enough to now need glasses. I do not wish to have to use a magnifying glass as well, to read forum replies.
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I dun tink tha grlz getz itz
Sum timz it b fun to gab in da short and silly ways
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I has grammer I just chose not to use it, I don't have enought time to do that on a for fun site. I am not being graded here.
And if it lowers peoples opinion of me oh well.
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Addendum:
It's means "it is." For example:
It's so hot today!
Its is the possessive for it. For example:
The red car was cool. Its paint job was totally awesome.
Addendum the Second:
Our is possessive for we. For example:
That is our house. We own it.
Are is a conjugation of the verb "to be." For example:
We are going to the store.
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What I REALLY don't understand is the people who use 'time' or 'laziness' as an excuse. If you have time to POST here in the first place then you DEFINITELY have time to be literate. Being lazy and illiterate are BAD things that people will see you as if you can't be bothered enough to try. I really appreciate reading a grammatically correct post, it gives the poster credibility.
Especially for you people on here that like to argue with others, when you can't be bothered to use punctuation and capital letters because you are lazy or you don't have time, it really lowers any respect whomever you're arguing with will have for you.
I personally respect those who do type out their words and end their sentences with periods a lot more than those who type 'how duz dis werk?' when asking a question, or advice or even just making conversation.
You shouldn't have to MAKE TIME to be literate. It's not that hard, that's a sad excuse.
No one else should have to make the extra effort to decode what you say, we communicate through WORDS. Use them!
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Ooo, another one to mention is the difference between 'choose' and 'chose' and 'loose' and 'lose.' This one bugs me so much.
Choose - present-tense. What will you choose?
Chose - past-tense of choose. He chose to be a staff member at Kumoricon this year.
Loose - Adjective. Baggy, not tight. She wore loose clothing.
Lose - Verb. To misplace. Also the opposite of win. I always lose at poker.
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Honestly typeing in L337 or other shorter languages that take up space was first used by the military in satalite uplink texts which required as little overhead as possible. It then made its way to the internet and bullatin boards where it has become something of its own. Some people take it to the extreme while others simply use it in daily life for laziness or convienience. Regardless people have a right to speak or type as they see fit. Being a grammer or punctuation nazi is just going to get you disliked or start flame wars and division on the forums. so in short....
deal with it
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Regardless people have a right to speak or type as they see fit.
But in that term of mind, people have a right to complain about things as they see fit.
Being a grammer or punctuation nazi is just going to get you disliked or start flame wars and division on the forums.
A lot of people are just going out of their way to do things like that though, hahahaha.
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English peeps! This is not a joke but a serious request. I grew up with an undiagnosed learning disorder and words like this always messed me up. Can you explain "wednesday"? Whenever I hear it pronounced, I hear "wensday".
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Jaz - I understand people making a small error here or there and the sort but it is when people completely disregard the thought of grammatical correctness that it gets on my nerves. I have some friends that literally just can't spell worth crap and English is their first language. They just have a hard time with it and never picked up on spelling since computers can auto-correct and rarely anything is handwritten anymore. But when a person talks in chat speak even though they have the ability to spell correctly, it just blows my mind. I find it harder to type liek diz n i haz to slow dwn me typing to tri n git it rite and even then I know I am "not doing it right." That is, if there is actually a correct way of doing it. I wouldn't know.
As for Wednesday, I hope this (http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=20010518) link helps you!
Kylite -
But people have taken this L337 speak to a whole new level. Those in the military all would have been able to read it because that is what they were all trained in reading. Not everyone on the internet can read it.
And yes, people do have the right to speak or type as they see fit. Which also gives us the right to type and speak as we see fit. Plus, as Boogie has stated, we have the right to type out our complaints. Some people type incorrectly because they are ignorant. We are here to help those who wish to better themselves. I, personally, am not trying to start a huge war. I am simply trying to educate people on proper grammar as I happen to be someone who loves the English language. Being a lover of English, I hate seeing it butchered like a chicken and watching the blood splatter all over the walls as the body flails around.
Being a grammar Nazi will not get anyone disliked by those who are worth something. Anyone who gets angry over a simple, friendly correction of grammar seriously needs to get checked into a counselor for anger management.
The only way a war shall begin here is if people do not respect us. We are not attacking anyone in particular and therefore, we should not be attacked. We are simply stating our beliefs as is our right through the Constitution and anyone who tries to stop us from saying our own two cents is a hypocrite.
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*nods* freedopm of speech is a wonderful thing.
that said. having someone correct you every time you speak, regardless of how patient you may be, will wear you down until you snap. so go on correcting and helping but pelase try not to push it too far. people dont liek being told their messing up over and over and over
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Especially for you people on here that like to argue with others, when you can't be bothered to use punctuation and capital letters because you are lazy or you don't have time, it really lowers any respect whomever you're arguing with will have for you.
Good thing I use decent grammar, yeah? ;) It's my saving grace.
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As for Wednesday, I hope this (http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=20010518) link helps you!
Huh. Interesting...
people dont liek being told their messing up over and over and over
Maybe people should strive to do better, and listen to the corrections from time to time... (Hey, I'm studying to be an English teacher; many of these "issues" naturally annoy me).
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Who and Whom
Distinction: Who is used as a subject. Whom is used as an object.
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Who and Whom
Distinction: Who is used as a subject. Whom is used as an object.
This is the one I fail at all the time. I can type with almost perfect grammar- But then who and whom show up and screw things up. ):
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what if the object IS the subject?
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what if the object IS the subject?
Excuse me, I mean the Direct or Indirect Object. It is sometimes known as the object receiving the action stated by the verb.
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This is a long-overdue thread.
Haters, think about it this way: if you were learning Japanese, you'd probably want your tutor to correct you on every little mistake so that the natives respect you when you go to Japan.
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in that same vein - haters, understand that if you nitpick at someone over and over and they lose their temper with you, its YOUR fault, not theirs
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No disrespect to you Kylite, but personally if I HAVE to nitpick and correct someone over and over, and they're still not getting it and they get mad at me, well I'm not really the one at fault there am I? This is the internet, control your temper.
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As for Wednesday, I hope this (http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=20010518) link helps you!
Huh. Interesting...
Yeah, I found out about the days of the week (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_the_week) when I read Angie Sages Septimus Heap books. I was never aware of the fact that Norse/Germanic mythology had such an effect on the naming of the days, and that religion, in general, had determined them.
Sunday - Sun Day - The Sun is one of the most ancient religious symbols on the planet. This is the day to pray to it.
Monday - Moon Day - Next to the sun, the other major deity of man.
Tuesday - Tyrs Day - For the god Tyr, a one-handed god associated with single combat and pledges.
Wednesday - Wodans Day - For the god Wodan also known as Odin, and is associated with wisdom, war, battle and death, and also magic, poetry, prophecy, victory, and the hunt. You have heard of him probably.
Thursday - Thors Day - For the god Thor. The most likely reason you are familiar with Odin. ;D The last Iron Man movie implies we will be seeing some of him pretty soon in the movies.
Friday - Freya Day - For the goddess Freya, a goddess associated with love, beauty, fertility, gold, seiðr, war, and death.
Saturday - Saturn Day - I remember reading somewhere that this was originally the day for the god Loki, but that he fell in disfavor and it was given instead to the Roman god Saturn, god of dance, agriculture, justice and strength.
Along a similar vein. Who knows the origin of the common word, goodbye? Would you be surprised to find out that it was originally "God be with ye"? I suppose that means it should always be capitalized. Oops.
Some more rules for you to add to the list:
since - I added this since people seem to get these wrong all of the time. ;D
scents - I just love all of the different scents of flowers, don't you?
cents - I just thought I would put in my two cents.
sense - You would all get this right, if you had any sense. ::)
write - Something you do with a pen or pencil. Not to be confused with typing. ;D OK, so you can write using a computer, but I still think texting is a better word for using a phone to send messages.
rite - Usually used in a religious context. A religious rite or a rite of passage.
wright - A worker or maker. A wheelwright, shipwright, playwright.
right -This is used for everything else. Most commonly used as the opposite of left or wrong, also something you posses as a free individual; "I have the right, to do it right."
yea - Another way of saying yes, opposite of nay. A gleeful shout or expression of excitement, often misspelled as yay.
yeah - An expression of agreement; "Yeah, I get it wrong all the time too." :)
Here is something useful (http://webpages.maine207.org/staff/KMARSHALL/oldweb/Spelling%20Grammar%20and%20Peer%20Review.pdf).
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much like a bully is not at fault for picking on someone because "they made themselves a target"
sorry but this is a really sore subject for me. people who dont beleive their doing any wrong when they upset someone else or huyrt their feelings is just plain wrong
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I guess I just don't understand how correcting someone is bullying.
I like to know when I'm messing up so I can fix it.
Why go through life making mistakes when you can improve? People who don't want to improve themselves (when they can and are told what is wrong) are ignorant.
Also, please don't confuse me for a bully, it's insulting. This isn't bullying at all and if you think so you haven't been really bullied.
If this thread pushed buttons, that sucks, but this is my opinion and if it hurts your feelings that's not my intention.
However this thread was not made with malicious intent and if it upsets you I can't truthfully say I'm sorry, because I'm not.
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Kylite, are you not the one at fault here?
We have said nothing against any person or group of people. We have done nothing to provoke anyone in any way. All we have done is speak of our love of the English language and how we wish people would use it properly.
There were no issues in this thread until you came and started to preach about how we need to behave and not nitpick people. You call us bullies if we correct someone more than once.
The only person I see doing any harm here at all can be seen in a mirror at your home.
Your words of putting us who nitpick on the same level as bullies is insulting. You may not think you are doing anything wrong, but you are upsetting more than one person on this thread by how you are saying things and that "is just plain wrong."
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As I do not believe my view is being correctly conveyed and I am doing more harm then good to this thread I will gracefully bow out of this discussion.
Sorry to anyone I have upset
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I am a bully and it is my fault |3
I just don't like stubborn idiots.
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Well, I am personally opposed to pointing out any misspellings on the behalf of someone else. I don't do it. Honestly, it comes off a little petty unless it is relevant to the discussion. ^^ Some people, honestly, are just not great spellers. Do you want to be the 1000th person to correct someone and then have them tell you they have a learning disorder / dyslexia? I'm sure they would rather not have to tell people that.
Do some people abuse the English language? Yes. But, if they bother me, I don't have to point it out. I just ignore them. ^^
I don't think the spirit of this thread was meant to insult or malign anyone that is poor at spelling, grammar, or whatever. I considered it more of a "Oh hey, we noticed this is common and if you want to fix it, use this resource."
And again, having said that, I don't really think it's nice to go around correcting people. I make plenty of mistakes every day. I don't need 'em pointed out to me. Reminds me vaguely of a quote I heard in a Dale Carnegie book. Something along the lines of, "If you can be so sure of yourself as to be correct even the slightest bit above 50% then you should go out and make a fortune in the stock market."
Just something to keep in mind the next time you hear / see someone make what you consider a mistake. ^^
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^ I point out misspellings occasionally, and I have a learning disability. I think it's better to point them out so that people will eventually get it right rather than let them stay in their bad habits.
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Text does a poor job of conveying sincerity, though. If you type a response and add, "By the way, it's spelled such and such," it's hard to tell if you're being sincere or trying to be a jerk. ^^ For me to correct someone, it'd have to be pretty egregious, and the person would have to be behaving like quite an ass themselves, for me to point it out. Sort of like driving in traffic. I don't honk every time someone makes a minor infraction.
I'm pretty sure that most people that are bad spellers realize they are bad spellers. Maybe they don't care enough or they have trouble memorizing spelling. Spelling in English is more or less rote memorization.
To me, it just seems like a great way to irritate someone. Do you like to be told you're wrong, especially when what's being pointed out might not have anything to do with the content of the discussion? ^^
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This discussion is making me think of a situation I had recently while doing my co-operative education at the Oregon Research Institute. I was tasked with helping one of the research scientist in repairing a database that had been converted over to MS Access. I found that many of the forms, reports, and tables had the word "label" spelled "lable" instead. I can see that if someone thought well it rhymes with table so it is spelled lable, it would make perfect sense. I was at a real loss as to how to go about correcting the field names and everything because of a misspelled word, when the person I was working with was the one who created them all in the first place. I didn't want anyone seeing the printed reports with the misspelled word on the headers, but then I didn't want to offend the research scientist either. :-\
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: D Reppy, I applaud you on your beautifully put words. I couldn't agree more!
Since text lacks facial expression, voice tone and body language (which are all vital in communication), misunderstandings happen extremely often, way more than necessary. There are those moments of unwanted drama that occur because of how the reader interprets the writer's message differently than intended. The writer could be thoughtful and lighthearted in their words while the reader sees the outer message as something snobbish and negative.
You have to keep in mind that text is not the most reliable form of communication; so try not to jump on someone just because their message sounded offensive or whatnot according to your translation (and feelings as well). Just like now; It sort of sounded like I was lecturing someone because they may have been guilty for doing just that, but I'm not pointing the finger at anybody. I'm merely giving advice with only good intentions.
Oops, sort of gotten carried away there. My apologies. ^^;;