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Convention Community => Off-Topic => Topic started by: u2205 on January 26, 2010, 09:35:17 pm
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There are the most locked threads I've seen since the Spoon Wars. :/
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i dont know i came back from work to see everything locked
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Yeah, and the Spoon Wars was WAY worse. This is nearly all on topic compared to that.
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We were asking to get locked for all that spoony stuff but this... D:
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It's a conspiracy, they're trying to prevent another spoony war.
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a conspiracy, like the NHK
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That is true. Though I myself came a little bit after the war, so I dunno how chaotic that was.
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I came back from school and it was all sdighsdakhlsdahkge.
>.<
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a conspiracy, like the NHK
Haha, I appreciate this :D
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Madness. :C
Sparta. And apparently spoons, though, that must've been before my time.
I dunno, this doesn't seem too bad...
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a conspiracy, like the NHK
Haha, I appreciate this :D
I also appreciate this. XD
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Ho shiz, a conspiracy? ; - ;
-Hides in cubboard-
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(https://www.kumoricon.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.manda-chan.com%2Fimages%2Fnhk%2Fep16%2Fnhk1.jpg&hash=e7f658ac0f960df80cd5fdb74be838c8488fde39)
CONSPIRACY!
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does this mean we have to keep our food in locked tupperware to keep the aliens out?
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I wasn't there for the spoony war, but I can regretfully say I've had my own private wars in the past where locked topics were involved. It was a chain of events that started with a spark of misinterpreting a post I made at the wrong time. I know since then and from then I've learned a lot and tried to move on like everyone else, but I also feel like little to nothing has changed.
It's hard to know what to think, and hard to know what to do.
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Sometimes you have to see things from the mods side.
to quote mr incredible
"I just cleaned up this mess, can we keep the palce clean for 5 minutes...please?"
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No we can not lol XD
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IDK what was all locked :P
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Yeah, the Spoon Wars were way worse than this.
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they were worse... but this is just sad T^T
no fun... just... massacre :-[
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oh lotus is sad now
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:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Yeah, but the spoon war was over in a night... was fun seemed like a bunch of ppl getting stuff out of their system.
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and then everyone up thar who woke up got all angry ;;>_> *cower*
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For clarification, what happened is I had a birthday party. It got...uh...energetic. ^^
It really had nothing to do with anything outside of that.
Also, Patrick, this was way bigger than the Spoon Wars (although only 4 people were involved); mods just did a better job of fixing it, so it seems small, so people won't freak out like they did with the Spoon Wars ;P
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So they deleted our posts because of you guys?
Haha awesome rules~
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I have no idea what happened~! :D
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So they deleted our posts because of you guys?
That is such a dick move.
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So they deleted our posts because of you guys?
That is such a dick move.
What posts exactly are in question? Almost nothing has been deleted recently except directly rule-breaking and inappropriate posts.
I would really like to know specifically what you think is a "dick move" so it can be addressed or corrected.
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Just the fact that you would delete people's posts/threads who weren't even involved in the crap DancingTofu was talking about. That's pretty dickish.
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Just the fact that you would delete people's posts/threads who weren't even involved in the crap DancingTofu was talking about. That's pretty dickish.
Which posts? Be specific. As far as I know, the moderators didn't do that, unless there was a good reason to delete the specific post.
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I dunno about what Oslap has to say, but I really wish you wouldn't use the word almost. x3 I would like to know every single thing you locked were things that you deemed had violated the rules, not mostly.
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I dunno about what Oslap has to say, but I really wish you wouldn't use the word almost. x3 I would like to know every single thing you locked were things that you deemed had violated the rules, not mostly.
I cannot flat out guarantee to you that I, or another moderator, didn't make some mistake. So I ask, what is the specific wrong thing we are being accused of?
Moderation is not always public and we cannot discuss every locked thread or deleted post.
Why is there a presumption that we're in the wrong here before specifics are even being discussed?
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One of my posts I was being smarmy and was like, "Anime con forums are srs bsns" or some dumb crap like that and that got deleted.
And damn, how many of us have a photographic memory and can remember every little thing? Generally you guys seem much too eager to lock things and delete posts.
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I'm in no way attacking you, so getting defensive is not needed. And we ask the same questions you do: why are our posts in the wrong before we are able to discuss the rule breaking? Why are they lock first, ask questions later?
And I merely want you to have faith in who you allow to be a mod.
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And I merely want you to have faith in who you allow to be a mod.
...?
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And I merely want you to have faith in who you allow to be a mod.
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In my regards to when he said 'almost all of the posts were' thing~
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Hahaha... yeah.
tl;dr, Stop hatin' on us, mods.
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Everytime I see mod/admin drama I relish it more than usual. I'm interested in being a Kumoricon mod again some day so I try and play nicer than I would otherwise. I'm not applying for the job any time soon though since I no longer have the free time and accessibility from work like I used to. However, I can't help but watch the forums and second guess every move made by each new team of mods. I always think "Well I coulda handled that better." or "Things wouldn't have gotten that bad if I'd had control." Especially when the specific things I was known for as a mod are brought up again.
Right now however I can't make a call about what's been going on since I've been offline so much.
However I'm looking forward to reading about it and having a nice little schadenfreude moment. Then we can move on with things.
The thing is though is that there are multiple mods taking care of this. I "handled" the Spoon War by myself. lol
This is why you fail.
By yourself, psh... >:(
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Tom was a gnarly mod. He made sure that threads were on topic by coming in and warning the peeps and he was never this lock insane.
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One of my posts I was being smarmy and was like, "Anime con forums are srs bsns" or some dumb crap like that and that got deleted.
That post was deleted because it was after 4 clearly off-topic posts, and was the 5th in a stream of posts that wasn't really on-topic for that thread (the Singles 18+ thread).
And damn, how many of us have a photographic memory and can remember every little thing?
You seemed to have enough in mind for you to say:
That is such a dick move.
So I'm asking, why?
Generally you guys seem much too eager to lock things and delete posts.
A general comment about locking and deleting posts: If the moderator did not contact the author of the locked thread or deleted post explaining it, it most likely means the moderator deemed it a very minor offense, or no offense at all, but is just the moderator keeping things on-topic. We don't take any action against posters unless it was a major transgression, or series of smaller ones, in which case we will definitely contact you about it and you will have a chance to defend.
Locking a thread is not a finding of guilt on the thread starter or participants.
Finally, the forum is not intended to be a chat room. It is meant to host organized discussions, though we do allow a small number of almost free-for-all threads, subject to normal forum rules. Blocking some content is the ordinary course of business for almost any Internet forum. Any Internet forum usually has a specific target for how strictly they moderate, which shapes the types of discussions on that forum. Occasionally forums push this even further, by having pre-moderated areas--places where the moderators must pre-approve any posts, and may even be selective about only posting the best content--not just removing content that breaks the rules. Hardly any forums set the moderation strictness so low that only illegal content is disallowed.
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Also, from the code of conduct (http://www.kumoricon.org/forums/index.php?topic=11025.0):
If you need to post something pertinent in a locked thread, you may request to a moderator that your post be added or that the thread be unlocked.
This is why I ask for specifics. If you can argue a thread should be unlocked, we can reconsider.
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I think all we're really saying is ease up. Not let us go loose, not become even more strict, just ease up. This forum is DIFFERENT then a whole lot of convention forums I have visited, because a lot of us are regulars, and friends, and we go on the forums all year-round. If you say we shouldn't, not that I am making that accusation, but if you ARE saying this forum is for strictly convention and such and only a bit of community, then tell everyone and let us know.
I just don't like being afraid my post will be deleted or locked when I'm posting, on-topic or not~
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Megan pretty much summed up how I feel.~
What the- in a teeny response to Jeff's quoting me, I already said that the general lock-happiness lately is what bothers me.
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I definitely want the Off-Topic forum to remain, and I don't think there should be numeric limits on the amount of "community" vs. "convention" discussion. Even though the primary purpose of the forum is the convention, that doesn't mean we're limiting the amount of community. But if there are a lot of threads which don't have a specific subject and are just free-for-all chat, it tends to drown out discussion and distract from other threads. If it happens within an existing thread, that discourages people from participating in the thread for its original purpose.
Forum threads should have a potentially unbounded audience, meaning any newcomer interested in its subject matter can feel comfortable entering anew and participating if they have something on-topic to contribute. Threads which are just chatter are primarily only of interest to a small set of regulars. Again, we do have some threads that are like this (just see the ones that are hundreds or thousands of pages long), but they need to be limited in number and not overtake the rest of the discussion.
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Udder Cream is a serious issue in my religion.
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Ahhh, this is getting no where. If you don't want to take what we have to say into account, fine. We only want more freedom for chatting and topics. All you are doing is giving reasons to what you've done, which is fine and thank you, but we want you (mods) to change your ways; not have you explain them.
I'm done, someone else can fightt my fight~
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Ze cows, day has a de uddurs, un ze uddurs, zay havea da creamu.
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Oslapedo, you're presenting a perfect example of immature, pointless posts that aren't conducive to any rational goal. You're not making a point effectively: you're being obnoxious and rude to someone who's being ready and willing to work out the issue.
You can't walk into something and interpret it seriously when you yourself are not acting in a serious manner. Don't expect to be listened to seriously when you're just making a poor attempt at trolling. TBH I'm growing to find these forums repulsive just because of how immature and unfocused people tend to be. Everyone seems to have gotten it into their minds that the internet is one big joke with no purpose or meaning and that it's some enormous free-for-all with no potential for meaningful discussion.
TL;DR - Learn to draw clear lines between serious and not or stop complaining when you're treated like a spammer and a troll.
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So... Let us review!
A Few Forum Goers - Mods are godmodding!
Jeff - What? Where!!??
A Few Forum Goers - Here!
Jeff - *looks around* Where?
A Few Forum Goers - HERE!!!!
Jeff - *sigh* I can't find it, you'll have to link me, or do a paraphrased quote.
AFFG - Well.. we don't know.. maybe this one.
Jeff - *explains*
AFFG - But there are others!
Jeff - Where?
AFFG - Here!
Jeff and AFFG - *sigh*
DancingTofu - Peace unto ye or I slap ya'll with a fish!
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Clearly, the forum is in need of some... heh...mediators.
I think what everyone needs to do is read my update to the idea of CHAT on these forums, that should alleviate a good amount of the questions people have. Any questions that are not alleviated can be PMed to myself or Jeff or Tofu or any Moderator. But here is the short and skinny of it all:
If you aren't adding to the discussion, don't post it.
If it has no intellectual, or carrying value (meaning it doesn't increase the value of the discussion) don't post it.
WHY?
Because thats how it STARTS, a few silly trollicious or obnoxious posts lead others to believe that posting in that manner is okay, and they thread becomes a series of "wut"'s and "no srsly"'s and "adjgjhedqdfksjdjjfffffff"'s that destroy the original puropse of the thread. Similarly, posting a one or two word thread that is for the singular purpose of having other people make spammy sammy posts... is not kosher either. It fills the top of the thread list with garbage. And thats not cool either.
- IF YOU WANT A PLACE TO CHAT GET YAHOO OR SOMETHING -
This is an idea I cannot believe anyone hasn't thought of yet. If you want a place free from Kumoricon appointed Mods, go make an unofficial K-con or friends of the cloudy convention chatroom and you can chat all you want there, and since it's unofficial, we have NO authority to stop you from chatting it up to your hearts content. It's just that easy, make a chat, and when you know people are online, you can hang out there!
If you want to create a group for your friend group similar to the Spoon Castle, let me know... I think this is the simpliest answer, instead of a million little threads disambiguated into chaos, why not find a way to make one grouping for this friend group, build up a following and have some fun? PM me and tell me what you want to do any I can make sure your group is solidified so you can enjoy yourself whilst not spamming the OTC.
Does this make sense? is it easier to understand? Please don't be upset with Jeff or Tofu or any mods... it's not about what we did or what you did, it's about the rules, and upholding them. Chaos breeds more chaos, and if we don't hold up the rules now, when you need them to be held up in your favor... what kind of power do we have then?
~Allykat
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I thought this thread was fun until it got all srs
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I would have to say, unless you start your own forum, create your own set of rules(if any), & appoint your own moderators to see them through...then you really have no choice but to be respectful of those who did all the work for you. As with many other things in life, the use of these forums is a PRIVILEGE, not something that was just bestowed on you to do what you want with it. Last I checked, there isn't a monthly fee for being a member here. Go rent a guildportal page/forum if you want to make your own rules.
These forums give people a way to stay in contact between cons discuss various topics con & non-con related. Off-topic & Chat already has specific threads that you can spam with nonsense...why are you starting fires without purpose?
Keeping up with the large number of posts that come through here everyday would be a job that I am glad I don't have to do. All that is being asked of anyone here, is to try & follow the forum code-of-conduct to the best of your ability & try to avoid straying off the topic. It's obvious that the mods understand how conversation tends to drift & seem to be pretty lenient about it as long as the thread gets back on topic. Nothing worse than trying to read a thread that interests you & having to sift through the 70% of it that is just spam.
The need to argue with or rebel against rules set by those in authority, without any logical or relevant information to offer, is pointless & immature. If there was a specific thread/post in question, you were already told to tell them so that it could be looked into. Having the mentality that the world should be handed to you on a silver platter is just ignorant.
Please show some respect for the people that have to rummage through all the nonsense to try & keep some form of organization here. Most of all, have fun & make friends.