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Title: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: ~boogiepop~ on October 23, 2009, 11:41:23 pm
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Though I'm not as bad as most grammar nazi's, it really grinds my gears to see a paragraph with RUN ON SENTENCES AND NO COMMAS (ASDJFAKISJFOAF). I'm pretty bad at typing a proper response too (which is why with most of my posts, I have to edit them 3 times before I'm happy with it). You don't have to take what I say to heart at all! But, I'd just like to point out it's a lot easier to read something like what I typed...

OMG guys today I went to the store and I bought some cabbage and then I washed it it was so delicous that I put it in a stew and ate it with a spoon it tasted like someone stabbed a shard of glass into my tounge and everyone knows that its the best feeling in the whole either world lololololololololololol


...then something like that.

SOME HELPFUL TIPS FROM SOMEONE WHO SUCKS AT SPELLING AND TYPING:

1. Firefox has spell check and it's amazing.

2. If you can't say your sentence without taking a breath, you need some kind of punctuation in there.

3. PROOF READING DECREASES CHANCES OF YOU LOOKING STUPID :D

Anyways, that's all I wanted to say. Anyone else really hate this? Anyone.....:'D?
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: TanisNikana on October 23, 2009, 11:43:01 pm
I LOVE YOU FOR THIS

A+++ WOULD BUY AGAIN
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: tofutakeout on October 23, 2009, 11:57:56 pm
I LOVE YOU. I'm not a grammar Nazi but I can get really anal about this. What really pisses me off are people that have terrible grammar and are illiterate beyond all belief and tell me there a grammar Nazi. DX
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: Trumby on October 24, 2009, 12:03:20 am
The best thing in the world is seeing a literal wall of text with little to no punctuation. I'm not going to claim to be 100% correct, but people should at least make things legible!
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: reppy on October 24, 2009, 12:59:55 am
It's sad when people put no effort into communicating properly. :/
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: superjaz on October 24, 2009, 04:48:30 am
please dont murder me
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: TomtheFanboy on October 24, 2009, 04:58:02 am
*ahem*
Please add a period to the end of your subject line. It makes you look ignorant or ironic. I don't believe this thread was meant to be either. ;)

Oh, and please do not murder Jaz. She makes the snickerbluedles.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: DancingTofu on October 24, 2009, 05:11:36 am
Actually, Tom, the subject line is a title, and therefor should not have a period at the end by any means.  That said, most of the posts in this thread have at least one grammatical, spelling, or punctuation error by MLA writing standards.  Nobody here is saying that we need to meet MLA standards though, only that posts should be punctuated such that they can be understood without being processed extensively and deciphered by the reader.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: TomtheFanboy on October 24, 2009, 05:13:23 am
"by any means"?
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: dshwshr55 on October 24, 2009, 06:28:47 am
Standards change as the times change, though. Some things that were inappropriate in the past are now grammatically acceptable. It used to be wrong to start a sentance with "and", "but", "yet", or any other words that begin a compound sentance. Another thing that bugs me is when people people list off objects and don't put a comma between the last two items, like this, and this, and this and this.
Oh, and please don't say funner or nucular. T_T
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: DemonSpawn on October 24, 2009, 07:22:28 am
*Raises hand* I love grammar. :D
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: Darknight2433 on October 24, 2009, 08:21:17 am
wut iz dis thred abut neway
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: ~boogiepop~ on October 24, 2009, 09:00:52 am
@ Jaz- I've seen your posts and you make an effort to punctuate, which is all I'm really griping about. So live and be free like a little bird~

@Tom- Oh god, snickerdoodles...HI JAZ LETS BE FRIENDS. :D

@Dshwshr- FUNNER MAKES ME RAGE LIKE THE FIST OF THE NORTH STAR.

But yeah just to reiterated my point. I'm not telling everyone to be perfect with their posts, I'd be a hypocrite if I did. Basic punctuation just makes posts less of an eyesore to get through.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: oslapedo on October 24, 2009, 09:26:20 am
If you don't like seeing bad grammar then you should spend less time on the internet, people won't change their ways because of one thread :D
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: ~boogiepop~ on October 24, 2009, 09:33:15 am
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You don't have to take what I say to heart at all! But, I'd just like to point out....

I know that if it's something people do all the time, it's very unlikely that they are going to change. I'm not trying to force them to change (though it was be AMAZING if they did), I'm just merely pointing it out so that maybe someone might think about it next time before they post.

Even if they don't, now I can I "I warned ya" and won't feel bad showing posts among my friends and having a good laugh at the stupidity and complete laziness. :P
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: superjaz on October 24, 2009, 02:27:54 pm
Tis hard when posting by cellphone to even form proper paragraghs.

I used APA in school.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: JeffT on October 24, 2009, 06:09:25 pm
Though I'm not as bad as most grammar nazi's,

Which nazi, and the nazi's... what?
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: superjaz on October 24, 2009, 06:38:11 pm
@Tom- Oh god, snickerdoodles...HI JAZ LETS BE FRIENDS. :D

I liked testing out food colors, so one time I was like "what color should I make the cookies?" and Tom says "blue that way they are snickerbluedles!"
Thus snickerbluedles were born, I'll bring some to the next meet up I can make it to.  Though my firm rule is if I am ill (right now I have the plague..or the flu..), then I dont cook for other people, its just safer.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: TomtheFanboy on October 24, 2009, 07:00:46 pm
Another thing that bugs me is when people people list off objects and don't put a comma between the last two items, like this, and this, and this and this.

Ooh! I believe this is the "Oxford comma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_comma)" and is debated by English professors. So people are sometimes taught to do that.

I am not a fan of the term "drownded".
I'm more lenient with the use of "nucular" because I thought that it and "nuclear" were two separate terms until I was set straight in college. I thought cells could be nuclear but bombs were nucular. Now I don't do that anymore. Yay for learning.  :P
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: ~boogiepop~ on October 24, 2009, 08:51:54 pm
Though I'm not as bad as most grammar nazi's,

Which nazi, and the nazi's... what?
http://grammar-nazi.urbanup.com/1012139 (http://grammar-nazi.urbanup.com/1012139)

Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: JeffT on October 24, 2009, 08:54:44 pm
Though I'm not as bad as most grammar nazi's,

Which nazi, and the nazi's... what?
http://grammar-nazi.urbanup.com/1012139 (http://grammar-nazi.urbanup.com/1012139)



Oh, I know what a grammar nazi is. Look closer at what I quoted, and exactly how I worded my response.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: Animeman73 on October 24, 2009, 09:14:24 pm
Because of my easy going nature I'm not super nit picky when it comes to grammar and spelling. Truth told I'll admit I'm not the world's greatest expert on grammar and spelling, I'm actually a moderate. As in I demand that people's spelling and grammar be legible enough that I can actually comprehend what they're communicating.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: ~boogiepop~ on October 24, 2009, 10:10:00 pm
@Jeff- Haha, oh, I see what you did thar.

Because of my easy going nature I'm not super nit picky when it comes to grammar and spelling. Truth told I'll admit I'm not the world's greatest expert on grammar and spelling, I'm actually a moderate. As in I demand that people's spelling and grammar be legible enough that I can actually comprehend what they're communicating.

Do you own a Thesaurus?
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: Animeman73 on October 25, 2009, 06:12:05 pm
I do, but I much preffer spell-check. I also have a 20,000 words dictionary.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: Darknight2433 on October 25, 2009, 06:18:38 pm
Everyone who corrects those who are trying are dumb, seriously.

You know who you are.  ;)
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: oslapedo on October 25, 2009, 06:23:11 pm
^ I so agree with that. And the people who aren't trying are trolls so why feed 'em? :D
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: DemonSpawn on October 25, 2009, 06:26:23 pm
The way I see it, if your post is so horribly grammar-deficient, you obviously didn't have something important to say. Or atleast not important enough to attempt making it legible.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: Roddy Manic on October 25, 2009, 06:41:53 pm
I know my grammar sucks, and my spelling is bad. I am trying to improve, but it's hard for me since I was never taught it well enough. I was behind in class, but at the time teachers didn't pull me out and do any one on one. So I was forced to mover forward when I wasn't ready to. Again though, I am working on getting better.

infact, when I put this in Words, I had spelt 3 words wrong. Improve was imbrove, forced was fourced, and forward was foward. Even with Words though my grammar is still not correct a lot of the time.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: Animeman73 on October 25, 2009, 07:25:50 pm
As I sid I'm a spelling and grammar moderate, I'm not nit-picky about spelling but I do ask that a person spell their wordsw out enough so i can comprehend what they're getting at. And Roddy, Demony, CatchxMe, and oslapedo I know you try your hardest. And I give muh' word of honor I'll try muh' hardest not to correct ya' captain. Had to do that Scotty impression  :D.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: Darknight2433 on October 25, 2009, 07:36:05 pm
Oh no, my grammar is perfectly fine, as is anyone else who is posting, but we're talking about people who are correcting OTHERS. C:


Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: xcthulhux on October 25, 2009, 07:59:23 pm
RUN ON SENTENCES AND NO COMMAS (ASDJFAKISJFOAF)

You must hate hardstylezombie.
He doesn't capitalize or use punctuation. xD
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: jaybug on October 26, 2009, 06:28:38 pm
I'm fairly happy when people spell correctly. And when you see signs of good spelling, you probably have found someone who may understand your puns.

If you gave Grammar Awards, would Kanye West take over the microphone there too?
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: Animeman73 on October 26, 2009, 06:30:56 pm
LOL! Nice one jaybug you win!
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: TomtheFanboy on October 26, 2009, 08:23:52 pm
LOL! Nice one jaybug you win!

*before jaybug can reply*
Yo Jaybug, you made a good post and Ima let you finish, but ~boogiepop~ made one of the best posts in the forum.
IN THE FORUM.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: TanisNikana on November 09, 2009, 01:04:18 pm
I AGREE WITH THIS THREAD.~


And on a more proper note:
I don't mind if someone uses poor spelling, "inside jokes", poor grammar, ect ONLY IF THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY JOKING.

It annoys me to hell otherwise.
wut
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: Cyprus on November 09, 2009, 03:50:08 pm
Although I am also guilty of being a human & making mistakes, I do find it hard to read a post with no punctuation. Without some form of punctuation, you can't really read a sentence how it was meant to be if spoken...nobody talks that way. However, I do understand that not everyone is educated in proper grammar & I don't make it a point to correct them unless it is truly awful. Even in those situations, I am in no way attacking them, instead I feel as though I'm helping them get their point across & I do so very politely. As I stated above, I am also human & I make my fair share of mistakes as well...I am harder on myself than anyone.

In a nutshell, post & have fun everyone. If I can't understand a post due to bad grammar then it was that person who failed. But honestly, I rarely see anyone that is so bad that I don't understand the point they are trying to get across.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: soundninja12 on November 09, 2009, 03:57:42 pm
-nods-

Grammar is important... if you want to go to college and be successful and all that jazz.
Might as well practice now!
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: fleur_fraise on November 09, 2009, 05:30:26 pm
HOW DID I NOT SEE THIS BEFORE.

Well I guess I did but I didn't see that you made it, Nikki. Oh well~ But yeah if someone types like an idiot, I assume that they are an idiot. OH INTERNET, YOU SO CRAZY.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: TanisNikana on November 09, 2009, 09:49:51 pm
I AGREE WITH THIS THREAD.~


And on a more proper note:
I don't mind if someone uses poor spelling, "inside jokes", poor grammar, ect ONLY IF THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY JOKING.

It annoys me to hell otherwise.
wut

whut
WAT
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: NightLotus on November 09, 2009, 11:34:33 pm
I AGREE WITH THIS THREAD.~


And on a more proper note:
I don't mind if someone uses poor spelling, "inside jokes", poor grammar, ect ONLY IF THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY JOKING.

It annoys me to hell otherwise.
wut

whut
WAT

WHUT
D:
wat
lol combo breaker
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: melchizedek on November 10, 2009, 09:18:42 am
Grammar rules, dem trolling, dem hatin'
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: TomtheFanboy on November 10, 2009, 03:10:36 pm
yo Tanis, this is for you!

http://img.moronail.net/img/9/3/2093.jpg
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Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: NARUNIK on November 10, 2009, 11:47:51 pm
XD!

WOW....
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: The_Geek on November 22, 2009, 04:43:28 pm
Indeed.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: TanisNikana on November 22, 2009, 06:25:23 pm
Verily, I have been taken aback with such a level of surprise that I find myself unable to properly express myself, such that a whole sentence would be nigh impossible, so I must pour as much emotion into three letters as I can.

WUT
Title: I'm coming out of the closet on this one ...
Post by: Prinz Eugen on December 19, 2009, 12:09:35 pm
I am a closet Grammar Nazi.

I have LOTS of Peeves (and not pets either, these are commercial-sized livestock.)

First, if you want to see what morons are writing
nowadays, visit HERE: http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/

Oodles of fun except when you see morons getting into powerful positions,
like people who wrote "ANNUAL REPORT OF THE LIGHT-HOUSE BOARD OF THE
UNITED STATES TO THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY FOR THE PHYSICAL
YEAR ENDING JUNE 30, 1872. (Margoliss & Moss fine books, accessed Nov 23, 2008)"

Someone with that kind of influence on spending non-trivial amounts of other people's money should know the term fiscal year, or be FIRED and replaced with someone who DOES know.

Some of my other personal peeves are:

blonde / blond :
The grammatical gender should match the sex of the person. If you write 'the blond I saw on the bus'  I know up-front it's a man or a boy. If you later write that the 'blond' was a girl, I now know you write like an idiot. See also premier vs premiere - a different rule applies and it's another great check on if the writer is paying attention to the words he is writing.

'THEY' used as a singular in writing :
Take a risk and use 'he' and 'his' as was used as recently as 40 years ago, just for spice. It's still correct, and really not sexist at all. My 5th edition of Strunk & White's style Manual of Style sezz it's okay to use, so I'm game. 'Man' and mankind' are also still correct terms for the set containing all peoples.

"For Free" :
No, moron. You can get something free, or for nothing. 'For free' just makes you sound stupid. See also: "Free Gift!" in written and spoken advertisements. Hey stupid, if it's not free, it's ummm not a gift, right? Duh.

"There's three things I want to show you..." :
Hey dip-wad: 'There is' means you are going to indicate ONE of something or an uncountable amount of stuff; another reason why they as a singular sounds jarring to me.

Its and it's :
Get them right or die. The possessive does NOT take the apostrophe. You will also be shot for using the apostrophe to form plural nouns or worse, to form the third person singular tense.

Trying to sound edjimicationalized by sneaking extra syllables
into words to make it sound like you know how to use longer
words than you can really handle :
"Orientate' for orient or align, 'Finalize' for finish, pre-planning and 'pre-condition,' (hint: planning already has to happen in advance of the event being planned, right?) I even once heard electronical.

Ending sentences with prepositions :
This rule was made up in the 19th century, but it's still a good gauge. Listening for whether or not a speaker can rearrange word order on the fly is an indicator of the presence or lack of other sorts of mental flexibility. Think of this as a real-time IQ test.

FLOUNDER :
News flash - that's a fish. You can eat them, too. When something is dropping, failing to stand up, sinking, or taking water over the gunwhales, the word you should use is founder.

Lastly, two hilarious books to read if you enjoy peevery are "Strictly Speaking," and "A Civil Tongue," by Edwin Newman, who headed the usage panel of the American Heritage Dictionary. Dry, acerbic, and incisive wit abounds.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: oslapedo on December 19, 2009, 12:21:01 pm
^ A lot of that sounds pretty harsh to me. Things like the difference of 'blond' and 'blonde' aren't common knowledge to everyone. I think it's idiotic to insult people just because they don't know trivial grammar tidbits.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: Prinz Eugen on December 19, 2009, 12:26:29 pm
^ A lot of that sounds pretty harsh to me. Things like the difference of 'blond' and 'blonde' aren't common knowledge to everyone. I think it's idiotic to insult people just because they don't know trivial grammar tidbits.
Relax - no personal or targeted affronts intended. Most of the times where I am using "Hey dipstick," etc in the above, that is only what's going on in my head as I read. I would never direct such invective at any specific person, in my real-world speaking or writing. But that's some of what I think about while reading, and so I wrote about it.

You are correct; internally I am usually a harsh judge about what I read - especially if the writer is any kind of a paid professional. They're supposed to be better than us, right?

Also the whole concept of 'grammar nazi' is hyperbole, so I hope that when I write 'get it right or die,' this is seen as part of the exaggeration, and obviously not a real-world threat to anyone. It's all just part of the bombastic fun of the topic.

Also, here's a question: most students in school encounter a foreign language like Spanish, French, German, or Latin, where grammatical genders are more fully functional than modern day English. Wouldn't that the lead to a curiosity about where the 'e' came from when we read something like 'Ye Olde [whatever] Shoppe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ye_olde)?'

Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Grammar Exactitude is Astringently Refreshing!
Post by: Prinz Eugen on December 19, 2009, 01:08:19 pm
I don't point out other people's flaws on forums or mailing lists.
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Sometimes I will correct a typo in the box quoting someone else.

Once in a while I will 'over-correct' for amusement value or to see if anyone notices.
One time on a thread about music and songs I wrote Lincoln Park, and no one caught it.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: Prinz Eugen on December 19, 2009, 01:34:09 pm
Some things that were inappropriate in the past are now grammatically acceptable. It used to be wrong to start a sentence with "and", "but", "yet", or any other words that begin a compound sentance. Another thing that bugs me is when people people list off objects and don't put a comma between the last two items, like this, and this, and this and this.
I still get a slight jar out of reading a sentence beginning with 'And,' or 'But.'

And* here's another peeve: saying 'and plus' for emphasis. Pick either of the words, stress it as you speak it, and you'll do fine.

*Tee hee!
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: MiriaRose on December 19, 2009, 03:44:23 pm
Yay, I'm not the only one who knows the difference between blond and blonde.

However, ending sentences with a preposition is something I am guilty of. xP
Title: Re: I'm coming out of the closet on this one ...
Post by: TanisNikana on December 20, 2009, 02:54:32 pm
blonde / blond :
The grammatical gender should match the sex of the person. If you write 'the blond I saw on the bus'  I know up-front it's a man or a boy. If you later write that the 'blond' was a girl, I now know you write like an idiot. See also premier vs premiere - a different rule applies and it's another great check on if the writer is paying attention to the words he is writing.
☆The More You Know

"There's three things I want to show you..." :
Hey dip-wad: 'There is' means you are going to indicate ONE of something or an uncountable amount of stuff; another reason why they as a singular sounds jarring to me.
Yes, that is technically correct, however, "there are" doesn't roll off the tongue as quickly as one might think, and so "there's" became commonly accepted for pluralized objects and concepts.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: jaybug on December 20, 2009, 08:34:17 pm
Prinz Eugen, whatever you do, do not study Old English. lol Seriously double negatives were exceedingly common. Repetition denoted degree. Also, basically the grammar structure more closely resembles Ebonics than it does to modern English. Oh, and you axed a question. Ask was not invented yet.

But on the bright side, and and an were in use 1,000 years ago. An dates all the way back to ancient Sanskrit, and is still in use in south Asia.

I gave up most of my grammar nazi-ness back when I was in the navy. I seem to have saved it for when Anglophones attempt to speak French now. Then after my nerves get over the fingernails on the chalkboard feeling, I just let it go. lol
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: DemonSpawn on August 28, 2010, 11:29:17 am
I adore this thread and I think it needs to be resurrected. Especially because I am seeing people use the wrong 'there', 'they're' and 'their' more than ever!!!!
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: Kimiski on August 28, 2010, 03:11:29 pm
I adore this thread and I think it needs to be resurrected. Especially because I am seeing people use the wrong 'there', 'they're' and 'their' more than ever!!!!

THAT... drives me NUTS.... D<
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: Animeman73 on August 28, 2010, 05:52:16 pm
I will agree that usually (There are circustances where this isn't quite true.) it's not a good idea to start a sentence off with a conjumction. My grammar I admit isn't the greatest but I do my best to avoid it whenever possible.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: soundninja12 on August 29, 2010, 10:42:59 am
If my grammar is bad, please remember my age. I haven't learned all there is to know about grammar yet, and I am excited to do so.
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: ~boogiepop~ on August 29, 2010, 11:05:33 am
Oh hello thread I made forever ago :> I'm glad you are still here.

It's also totally cool when you re-read what you wrote, or use spell check. So you know, you don't look like a bigger idiot then you've already proven to be.

Our posts have a modify tab, it's a wonderful thing~
Title: Re: Grammar is Awesome
Post by: Prinz Eugen on August 29, 2010, 11:10:07 am
Quote from: jaybug
Prinz Eugen, whatever you do, do not study Old English. lol
TOO LATE!

Quote from: jaybug
Seriously, double negatives were exceedingly common. Repetition denoted degree.
French uses "fore-and-aft" negative markers too, and they sort-a 'invited themselves over' into the English realm for about 350yrs, starting with William of Normandy, 1066.

I like how Japanese uses the mathematical equivalent - you can concatenate any number of negatives; you just have to multiply through to see whether you end up heads or tails.
Mom: "Didn't you finish your homework?" Schoolkid: "Yes." (yes, he did NOT finish.)

They also "collect like terms" (if you remember that from algebra) into long adjectival clauses ahead of nouns. I have trouble with that sometimes because when the noun finally hits you have to go back and apply all that other stuff onto it and untangle it on the fly.
I even find German easier, wherein the verb from the noun by a clause, which a sub-clause include may separated is, and then on the end is put.